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10/23/18 11:20 AM #7017    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Let me explain it to you yet again, Jack. If the guy will stop 7k people from ILEGALLY entering the US, continue to work to secure our borders, enforce our laws, stop sanctuary cities, sort out merit based immigrants from unworthy intruders, back the “innocent until proven guilty” age-old mantra, help the economy prosper, use his worthy advisors to make international decisions collaboratively, better the VA, nominate Supreme Court Justices who are Constitutionally  savvy & qualified, campaign tirelessly to promote what he believes will strengthen our country, continue to try to find ways to get better healthcare & better immigration laws on the books, make allies & enemies accountable for an uneven playing field, create jobs for all (including all minority groups), etc., I don’t care about his F-bombing rhetoric. 

Yes, Glen, Jay!  Still aglow! Bring your ladies down to Lewes when the Caps (&/or Skins) are in the playoffs & we’ll raise whatever little hell “70 somethings” can raise together! 


10/23/18 12:15 PM #7018    

 

Jack Mallory

Let me explain it to you yet again, Nora. Why should anyone trust a lying bigot to produce policies which will benefit all Americans equitably, regardless of what his rhetoric promises?


10/23/18 12:24 PM #7019    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

.I don't find positive any of the things Trump is doing that you mentioned. I think he is smearing many innocent immigrants describing the caravan as crimminals and suspicious middle easterners and the MS 13..He has no evidence to say that. I don't like the tax cut that benefits the rich and now he will most likely want to cut entitlements to get the deficit down after he skyrocketed it with the 3 trillion tax cut for the wealthy. I don't like his Supreme Court pick who was blatantly partisan calling the push back Clinton revenge, etc. and the FBI investigation ended up a sham with such a limited scope and lack of talking to many witnesses.  I don't like the harrassing of immigrants in Sanctuary cities. They contribute greatly to our society and many business people are very upset as they need immigrants to help with their businesses. I don't like the disucssion about pushing back on transgender rights. I don't like the pulling out of the Paris accords and the lack of recognistion that the climate change is real and dire. I don't like the characterization of democrats as mobsters and wanting criminals in our country etc. I think Trump is a horrible President policy wise and character wise, and even if you like his policies which is your right, it should matter how someone speaks in the public discourse that is our President. A President who attacks different groups in our society and one who sides with dictators and one who calls people names ALL THE TIME is not good for our country. Its not right for Trump at a rally to think its ok when the crowd yells Lock her Up for Diane Feinstein...no push back like John McCain when he told the woman, no Barack Obama is a good citizen...we just happen to disagree. Love, Joanie


10/23/18 12:59 PM #7020    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Just sticking to the caravan issue for a moment guys: without either of us having evidence, doesn’t your common sense tell you there are most likely some bad mixed in the throng? Those who are exploiting children to enter? People who intend to push in illegally? With the world watching, other caravans will surely follow, if this one pushes through? It’s terrible for us to see desperation, shoeless children. We are a compassionate nation, a nation that loves & needs immigration to continue to prosper, but we are not like the days of our Founding Fathers when there were thousands of people making up our nation’s population. We are close to 400 million now. There are 700,000 immigration cases pending now. We MUST strive towards legal & only legal entry. To encourage illegal immigration by ignoring our laws, is only encouraging more of everything...including bad things: drugs, child trafficking, lawlessness, MS-13 & yes, terrorist elements. Is that SO unlikely? Am hoping, no praying, this caravan will help yet again to pressure Congress to find some legislation which will ease the pain & suffering of immigrants as well as Americans who are suffering right along with them. Border state residents, families who have lost loved ones, opioid victims & their families are screaming for change as well. And only Trump seems to be addressing that. 


10/23/18 03:55 PM #7021    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, there has been no evidence that the caravan are made up of criminals..here is an article that supports that point  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/five-myths-about-honduran-caravan-debunked-n922806     Also, you mention illegal entry..there are many immigrants that are trying to apply for assylum legally but are turned away. Trump has also narrowed what will be accepted and said that people fleeing murder by gangs won't be allowed in. Mother's have tried to leave to protect their sons from being targeted by gangs. This is such a tragic situation. The comprehesive immigration reform bill was ready for Trump to sign that was bipartisan but Steve Miller and other mean hard liners talked him out of it. Now it suits him too to get the base ready to vote to call immigrants murderers and lump them all with MS 13 etc. His family came here as immigrants as did many of ours. Many employers are very unhappy with this assault on immigrants as they help so much with work needed to be done. I might add work that many times Americans don'g want to do. Love, Joanie


10/23/18 04:47 PM #7022    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

This is an article of how immigrants, some of which are undocumented contribute to our society and economy.

How Immigrants Positively Affect the Business Community and the U.S. Economy

Milagros Rodriguez, originally from the Dominican Republic, works with a customer at her business, the Woodside Beauty Salon, in Queens, New York, on June 14, 2012.
AP/Seth WenigMilagros Rodriguez, originally from the Dominican Republic, works with a customer at her business, the Woodside Beauty Salon, in Queens, New York, on June 14, 2012.

Immigrants have always been vital assets to the U.S. economy and contribute greatly to the nation’s total economic output and tax revenue. In 2013, for example, immigrants added $1.6 trillion to total U.S. gross domestic product, or GDP. Economists have found that immigrants complement native-born workers and increase the standard of living for all Americans. Additionally, as consumers in local communities, immigrants create demand for small businesses and strengthen the economy. Immigrant entrepreneurs have also played a significant role in advancing technological innovation and creating businesses.

Although immigrants’ economic contributions are significant, they could be even greater. If Congress enacts a legislative reform that includes a pathway to citizenship, then more unauthorized immigrants could participate in the formal economy. The same would be true if the Supreme Court permits two critical components of the Obama administration’s November 2014 actions on immigration—the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents, or DAPA, and an expansion of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or expanded DACA—to be implemented. These political and legal battles are preventing millions of people from joining the formal economy and, in turn, holding back U.S. economic prosperity.

Immigrants are an important part of the business community

Some of the most influential entrepreneurs in the United States are immigrants or children of immigrants. This is especially true in the tech industry, including Google founder Sergey Brin, who fled the Soviet Union as a young boy almost 40 years ago; Yahoo founder Jerry Yang, who emigrated from Taiwan at age 10; and Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella, who emigrated from India. In fact, more than 40 percent of Fortune 500 companies in 2010 were founded by immigrants or their children. This includes both major companies from the past few decades—such as AT&T, Apple, and Google—and also older giants, such as McDonald’s, General Electric, and Bank of America. Fortune 500 companies are a tremendous part of the national economy; in particular, the 40 percent founded by immigrants or children of immigrants generated more than $1.7 trillion in revenue and employed 3.6 million people in the United States in 2010 alone.

Apart from immigrants’ contributions in big businesses, they have also made an impact as small-business entrepreneurs. Immigrants make up about 28 percent of small-business owners and are two times more likely to become entrepreneurs than the native-born population. In 2010, immigrant-founded small businesses generated more than $775 billion in sales and $100 billion in income and paid more than $126 billion in payroll taxes. On average, immigrant-owned small businesses each employ about eight employees and collectively provide jobs for about 4 million people in the United States.

Such small-business owners include Enrique Castañeda, who emigrated from Mexico at age 17 and started his own cleaning company in 1992. With an initial investment of approximately $1,000 for chemicals and cleaning supplies, his cleaning company, Above and Beyond, quickly expanded from carpets and apartments to fire and water damage and even the dangerous but growing industry of cleaning biohazard and crime scenes. Castañeda’s business is still thriving and evolving after 24 years. His original investment has grown exponentially, and the business itself has grown from a single person at its founding to about 20 employees, according to Castañeda. His business represents the entrepreneurship and hard work that immigrants bring to the U.S. business community.

Unauthorized immigrants are an important part of the economy

All immigrants, regardless of legal status, contribute to the American economy. The 11.3 million unauthorized immigrants living the U.S. today contribute $11.64 billion in state and local taxes each year. The Social Security Administration estimates that unauthorized immigrants contribute a net of $13 billion in payroll taxes annually, which helps to strengthen the Social Security system.

DAPA and expanded DACA would magnify the economic gains from unauthorized immigrants by bringing up to 4 million people off of the economic sidelines. The Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy, or ITEP, projects that implementing DACA, expanded DACA, and DAPA would increase state and local tax revenue by $805 million each year. On top of that, these initiatives would grow the U.S. economy by $230 billion over 10 years. Such economic expansion would raise wages for all workers and create thousands of new jobs each year. Despite their massive economic benefits, DACA, expanded DACA, and DAPA have been challenged in court and their implementation has been put on hold until the Supreme Court rules on this issue.

The gains that the country would realize from enacting legislation with a path to citizenship would be even greater than those from implementing DAPA and DACA. President Barack Obama’s executive actions only provide work authorization and some legal protections to less than half of the total unauthorized population. Presumably, congressional immigration legislation would provide laws and protections that extend to a larger share of the nation’s unauthorized population. ITEP projects that fully legalizing the current 11.3 million unauthorized immigrants would add $2.1 billion in state and local tax revenue each year. Similarly, providing a pathway to citizenship for all unauthorized immigrants would increase GDP by $1.2 trillion over 10 years and create 145,000 jobs annually.

Conclusion

Immigrants have historically played an important role in the building of the United States, and they continue to carry that legacy today. President Obama’s administrative actions are a step in the right direction, but ultimately, it is up to Congress to reform the immigration system so that it will be both humane and beneficial to the nation.

Cesar Maximiliano Estrada was formerly an intern with the Immigration Policy team at the Center for American Progress.

 

10/23/18 06:28 PM #7023    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Thank you, Joanie. I think that article was good in affirming both our stances that immigration is a good thing. Where I differ is that ILLEGAL entry into the country is not a good thing. Perhaps I did not make myself clear before? If you decided to trust strangers to come into your home & therefore decided not to lock your doors, could you rest assured that no one would enter & possibly harm you? What if 60 people came through? How many strangers would have to enter for you to become worried about your welfare? What if they wanted to climb in the windows, so you wouldn’t know who was coming in? Would you be okay with that? I believe it is irresponsible for us as a nation to fail to set firm laws in place, including walls & doors & as many security measures as is necessary to secure our jobs, our homes, our safety & most of all, our children. That has nothing to do with the invasion of people who are coming to force themselves into  a country that has laws against what they are attempting to do. If they are truly seeking asylum, they can remain in another country, organize their populations to revolt against their oppressive regimes or go through the necessary requirements to enter our country legally. And Trump is the only one talking about it. 


10/23/18 08:21 PM #7024    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, From all the reports I've read, Immigrants either legal or undocumented are responsible for a very low crime rate..much lower then native Americans.

I dont' think the analogy is accurate or comparing it to people coming into your home  As for Trump being the only one speaking of this, he is smearing them and speaking of f immigrants as murderers, and rapists...The majority of immigrants trying to come to this country are coming for a better life or they are fleeing from dangerous situations in their home country. Love, Joanie


10/23/18 08:48 PM #7025    

 

Jack Mallory

Great article, Joanie; I appreciate your posting it. But I don't think this is about the economics of immigration. This is about fear being used as a political weapon. Fear is a common tactic in politics: Hitler used the Jews as a fearful figure. Joe McCarthy and his lawyer (later Trump's lawyer) Roy Cohn used "commies" in the 50s. Clinton used "super-predators," Bush Sr. used Willie Horton ads. If you can frighten people, they don't think, ask questions, demand real answers. Scare 'em bad enough, maybe they'll vote for you. 

Drummed up fear of immigrants runs through our history from early on. The Know Nothing Party in the 1850s was one of the first that used it as a campaign issue, attacking Chinese, German, and Irish immigrants. Now it's Trump's turn.

"Real power is . . . Fear," Trump told Bob Woodward while he was running for President in 2016. It worked then--we can remember how frightened some people were by bogus claims of undocumented immigrant connections to crime. Even when they couldn't provide any evidence of such a connection, they obviously stayed afraid. Today, as you say, there is still no evidence of any tendency for immigrants to commit crimes at any greater frequency than native-born Americans; but, obviously, some Americans still worry that it will be a Honduran mom and her four year old climbing through the bedroom window in the middle of the night, rather than a Republican. We owe this to Trump and, I think, endemic American racism. 

And if that mom were to stay home and organize a revolt, she could expect the US Marines, Special Forces, and/or CIA to squash any attempt to change things for the better. My two years in the 8th Special Forces were spent training Latin American armies to repress popular movements in their countries. You'd think folks our age would remember their tax dollars being used to forestall or quash revolts in El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Guatemala during the last 50 years or so. Our bucks were especially effective in Guatemala in the 1980s, when about $2 billion dollars worth of covert CIA operations and American military equipment facilitated the deaths of 150,000 Maya in the repression of social change there. I remember being stopped by a bunch of Guatemalan Army thugs in 1981, pointing M16s at me that I might have carried a decade earlier in Vietnam. Real fear. 

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Do some people really spend their days worried about Honduran refugee burglars or false charges of sexual assault? Strangely enough, must be same the people that think they’re going to win tonight's lottery. Odds are similar, I’ll bet. 

 


10/23/18 09:20 PM #7026    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I agree Jack that its about stoking fear of another people. Trump is smearing Immigrants. He knowingly is doing this to get the base fired up

its dangerous too to spew this type of hatred as there are people out there who act on these things..Love, Joanie.


10/23/18 09:43 PM #7027    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Of course fear is an enormous motivator in every election & I doubt that will ever change. Employed by both parties, btw. Joe Biden’s “they’re gonna put you back in chains”, comes to mind. The narrative on Inauguration Day that Trump was the new Hitler (murderer of millions) is another that comes to mind. But who knows, until after the fact, that those kinds of fear declarations might not be true? Truth is, we don’t. We risk. We vote. We hope. Repeat. 

Joanie, I do not hate these migrants & nothing Trump can say can change that.  I agree that most immigrants are good folks. Deserving, hard working, honorable people. But, like the people you would open your house to, you don’t know for sure anything about them except they are looking for something you have that they don’t have. The point still remains that we don’t know them. Would you be ok if there are 20 bad ones out of 7000 allowed in? 100? What number of criminals would you allow in?  I heard that 80% of the 7000 are men. Assuming they are running from oppression &/or gangs, if all of them organized against corruption infecting their homelands, imagine what they could reap. The more we take in, the less likely drug cartels will weaken. The more we take in, the greater numbers will come. The more we take in, the less assimilation will take place. The more we take in, the larger our classrooms & on & on. But, too, the less likely the evil doers in those poor countries will ever be assuaged. And what about the numbers in lines awaiting legal entry here from other lands? Are they now to get at the end of the line? Oddly, our hate-mongering President is the only one talking about this. 


10/24/18 07:58 AM #7028    

 

Jack Mallory

From 6 years ago, but He still feels the same way:

 

https://politics.theonion.com/god-distances-self-from-christian-right-1819574107


10/24/18 10:32 AM #7029    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, there are background checks when people come into the country. Again, regarding immigrants the crime rate is very low and lower then native born Americans by far. The bipartisan immigration bill that was put together that Trump vetoed due to Miller and other hard liners that didn't want the Dreamers to get citizenship addressed security and also set up a path to citizenship for the 11 million undomented immigrants  You praise that Trump is the one talking about certain things you like,  but do you like that Trump is smearing immigrants saying they are coming in and are murderers and rapists and MS 13 in the caravan. I didn't hear him say anything about the wonderful people that are fleeing terror in their country risking extreme hardship to get to what they see as a better place and safer life for their families. . What do you think of his basic approach to trashing immigrants? Love, Joanie
 


10/24/18 11:30 AM #7030    

 

Jay Shackford

 

 

“We create jobs; the Democrats create mobs.”  This is another big fat lie in a blizzard of lies spewing out of Old Bone Spurs’ crooked lips like raw sewage flowing into the Potomac River.   Let’s examine the facts on employment. 

 

In Obama’s final four years in office — 2013 through 2016 — the U.S. created 10.25 million jobs.  This is an amazing record considering  the depths of the great recession when we were losing nearly 800,000 jobs per month when Obama first took office in January 2009. We had two very bad years, but in late 2010 the economy turned the corner.  After that, Obama had 75 consecutive months (6.25 years) of job growth, and 15 million new jobs were created during his eight years in office.  

 

Trump assumed office in January 2017 with the benefit of an economic recovery well under way for seven years— unlike President Obama who faced a collapsing housing market, record job losses, shattered consumer confidence, massive foreclosures and bankruptcies and a worldwide financial system on the brink of collapse.  

 

During Trump’s first year (2017) in office, 2.06 million jobs were created — less than the 2.24 million jobs in 2016, 2.71 million jobs in 2015, 3 million jobs in 2014 and 2.3 million jobs in 2013.  By the end of 2018, another 2 million or so new jobs will be created — giving Trump  a little more than 4 million jobs in his first two years.  In Obama’s first two years of his second term (2013 and 2014) nearly 5 million jobs were created and 5.71 million jobs were created in his final two years. 

 

For the record, the U.S. population is 324 million — not 400 million — as someone suggested on this forum. 

 

Facts matter! 

 

 


10/24/18 11:37 AM #7031    

 

Jay Shackford

One more thing.  The unemployment rate fell from a peak of more than 10% in late 2009 to 4.6% in President's Obama's final month in office.  


10/24/18 12:56 PM #7032    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

I’ll happily accept that all of your facts & figures are correct, Jay. I voted for Obama in 2008, believing that the country was better served at that time by what the Democratic Party had to offer. I also voted for Clinton his first term, believing that, though his moral integrity seemed disturbingly flawed, his intelligence & ability to bring both sides of the aisle together surpassed my skepticism. No candidate is without flaws. Good stuff & bad stuff has happened on everybody’s watch. The problem I have had with Trump is that few, if any, on the left have sought to find anything positive or anything encouraging to help this administration succeed. The left mantra has been “resist” from day one. Case in point: the Democratic leaders declared, before Judge Kavanaugh was even mentioned, that they would fight, with all they had, against whomever Trump appointed. I think it hurts the process, hurts progress &, therefore hurts the country. Mourning the absence of Obama’s WH is one thing, but blaming those who thought (& think) it better for a Republican administration to be in office, & constantly ridiculing the people’s choice only hurts all of us. Just MHO. 

So, Jay, whaddya think about this caravan & whaddya think our country should do about it? Joanie, do you think our resources have any problem with doing background checks of 7000 trying to enter at the same time? Or do you think they can just google these folks? And please address your opinion about whether it is fair for those who have come & are coming through legal channels, for this mass rush of humanity to flood our border in this fashion? 


10/24/18 01:50 PM #7033    

 

Jay Shackford

Trump is reckless, dangerous and dumber than dog shit.  His reckless rhetoric has triggered what appears to be a rash of pipe-bombings by one or more deranged domestic terrorists. Someone is going to get hurt or killed before this is all over.  The press pool at Trump's rallies sits right in the middle of a fired-up crowd with little, if any, protection.  Now the pipebombs.  Nori — I will give you my thoughts on immigration once the smoke clears on this latest crisis. 


10/24/18 01:59 PM #7034    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, the reason some of us on the left were against any of Trump's picks for Supreme Court is because he said during the campaign he would pick someone from the Federalist Society list, a group who were all carefully handpicked extreme right wing Judges against Roe v. Wade. He also talked of overturning Roe v Wade when he was a candidate assuring the crowds of the type of judge he would pick. as I said,  he was not picking more of a concensus candidate but he was picking someone to the right of most Americans. He said a woman, Nori, should be punished if she had an abortion. Had he picked a Sandra Day O'Connor or an Anthony Kennedy that would be different but he only picked from the Federalist Society list.

About the migrants coming in, most of them are seeking asylum from oppression. That is a legal reason to apply to come into our country and Trump has cut back on people at the border to help process those huge amounts of people in Nori. He does not want immigrants no matter what the reason. There is another side to this story and you haven't said yet how you feel about Trump smearing immigrants calling them murderers and suspicious Middle Easterners...(not nice to say that about Middle Easterners either)...everyone isn't a terrorist you know who comes from a certain area and he has no facts to back up that Middle Easterners are in the caravan. So wondered how you feel about that rhetoric? As for not having anything nice to say about Trump, I am sorry but I can't find something positive except that I appreciate that he has brought back our prisoners of war and I have said that.  Love, Joanie


10/24/18 02:16 PM #7035    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Just a brief follow up with Joanie: I guess I never heard Trump say that all the 7000 people headed here or that all Mexicans & Middle Easterners are murderers or terrorists but if he did, like you, I would never believe that. On the other hand, perhaps you can share how you know some of them aren’t. I have never heard Trump say he doesn’t want any immigrants, either. I HAVE heard him say, however, that immigration should be more merit based. With progressives espousing free college & free healthcare, I would think they might want to consider that, since immigrants need jobs, homes, educations, healthcare, cars, food, clothes, oft times welfare, it might be practical to cut back the numbers to accommodate those big government freebies. Btw, are you bothered that there is a drumbeat to get rid of ICE when caravans are organizing to massively enter? 

As for Kavanaugh: from the look of the 2016 election, it seems to me that the country is close to being split in half, with half the country leaning liberal & half leaning conservative. So, if that is the case, how is Kavanaugh out of the mainstream? And wouldn’t you prefer to see a liberal leaning President appoint a liberal leaning judge? 


10/24/18 02:52 PM #7036    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Obama picked a judge who was not a flaming liberal, Merrick Garland. It used to be that judges were more acceptable to both sides. There was the 60 vote requirement. Sorry that is gone now. By the way, the majority of women in this country are pro choice and are not happy with the Kavanaugh choice. As for Trump saying he wants merit based immigrants, yes he did say that, but the majority of his comments are attacking immigrants...Mexicans are rapists....the caravan is made up of murderers and MS 13. I rarely have seen him say a good thing about immigrants. Its not that he said every last immigrant on the caravan is a murderer or a member of MS 13 but he generalizes to the group by calling THEM murderers and unknown middle easterners. . He stokes fear and talks as I said about them as  INFESTERS Nori. ..that is not a nice way to talk about people, many of who are fleeing an autocratic regime. The base loves this kind of talk. This us against them approach. Its dangerous. Yes, we need immigration reform like the bill that was put on Trump's desk that was bipartisan but we don't need the head of our country trashing immigrants, and he does do that...it will get him votes. .Love, Joanie


10/24/18 03:37 PM #7037    

 

Jack Mallory

Trump wants merit based immigration? I suppose, as long as one marker of merit is that the immigrants not come from "shithole countries," but perhaps from Norway instead. In this case I'll give him credit; he's not being a lying bigot. I believe he's completely truthful about wanting white immigrants rather than immigrants of color. Not a lying bigot, just a bigot. 

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Jay--thank you for your compendium of facts. But facts only matter to people for whom truth matters. This is not all of us. Clearly truth doesn't matter to Trump, and clearly it isn't an important issue for his supporters. As long as they approve of his policies, no matter how harmful to the nation and world (disbelief in climate change) or harmful to particular minorities (defining trans folks out of existance), truth isn't an issue. Or maybe it's more direct to say that they're good with his lies. 

 

 

 

 

 


10/24/18 04:50 PM #7038    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Hopefully, Joanie, (& I mean this), Judge Kavanaugh will not be a “flaming” conservative any more than Garland would have been a “flaming” liberal. That is, if you mean “flaming” to imply ‘leaning too far one way or another’. 

As for immigrants, I’m against these 7000 people trying to force their way into our country & I don’t care if their skin is purple. I happen to think Trump doesn’t care what color they are either. It’s a bad idea & a disaster  in the making. 


10/24/18 06:02 PM #7039    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Yikes. Cool your jets. It’s not healthy for people our age to be that angry, Jay. You’re using language towards Trump the way I’ve been referring to this mad pipe bomber all day. Hope you’re not into pyrotechnics. 

The country will survive. Like Joanie says, we just disagree on the survival methods. 

 


10/24/18 06:08 PM #7040    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Trump does care what color they are. Nori, he and his father wouldn't rent to black people back when they were both involved in renting properties. I wouldn't be against him on this issue if he was fair minded but he isn't. You have to feel this and if you don't feel this then nothing I say will change your mind. You have a right to your feelings but to me Trump has made it clear that he is trashing immigrants calling them names like infesters, murderers...there is no excuse to calling the caravan murderers and people of suspicious mid eastern background. What's that all about...Its to promote fear and rev up the base. there is no evidence of it so there you have it. Can you imagine how many of us would feel if large groups of Jews were trying to come over to this country and were called infesters, or murderers, or large groups of Irish or whatever background. We would be up in arms...the immigrants are not nameless people that don't count. They are real people with real threats to their lives in many cases.  Love, Joanie


10/24/18 06:40 PM #7041    

 

Jack Mallory

Over approximately the last two years: Repeated attacks on the press and the Democrats as traitors, enemies of the people, arsonists, an angry mob, too dangerous to govern, the party of crime, left wing haters, wanting to release violent predators and vicious criminals in our communities , , ,

Referring to a Republican Congressman's physical attack on a reporter: “any guy who can do a body slam, he is my type!”

"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ..."

Regarding a demonstrator being removed from a rally,  "I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you."

In a similar situation, "Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court. Don't worry about it."

About police putting arrestees in a squad car, "When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just seen them thrown in, rough. I said, 'Please don’t be too nice,'"

Explaining why it's so hard to keep demonstrators from speaking out, “You know, part of the problem . . . is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right?"

After a Black Lives Matter demonstrator was attacked at a really, "Maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing,"

About protesters in North Carolina, “They used to treat them very, very rough, and when they protested once, they would not do it again so easily . . . We've become weak.

Of violence in general at his events, "The audience hit back and that's what we need a little bit more of." 

 

Over the last two days, terrorists have mailed explosive devises to Barack Obama, George Soros, the Clintons, Eric Holder, Maxine Waters, and John Brennan at CNN. 

 

Is it possible that someone could have thought that the President of the United States might not really object to violence directed at his opponents? 

 

Today he tells us, "acts or threats of political violence of any kind have no place in the United States of America.” 

Really? 

 

 


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