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02/22/19 05:03 PM #7842    

 

Jack Mallory

Coming home from the VA I stopped at the nest, only got one photo and off it flew. Just a peek at it, as it peeked at me. Then I went back a few hours later: as I was headed south on the highway toward the nest the eagle flew north directly over my car at about 20 feet, almost as if it were thumbing its beak at me. 


02/24/19 08:10 AM #7843    

 

Jack Mallory

“Every single political actor since the late 19th century advocating for some form of progressive social change ― whether it be economic reform, challenging America’s racial caste system or advocating for women’s rights or LGBT rights ― has been tarred as a socialist or a communist bent on destroying the American Free Enterprise System.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-socialists-republicans_n_5c706ea1e4b03cfdaa553c17

Great summary. I would have used this in my US history class.

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Yesterday at the nest:

With the phone camera—pretty much as the eye would see it. Would you spot it?

With the big gun:

And somebody else who wanted their picture taken:


02/24/19 10:32 AM #7844    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack is that yellow house your home? If so, its really a nice design. Love, Joanie


02/24/19 10:48 AM #7845    

 

Jack Mallory

No, it's the house with the nest in the back yard. I’m about 5 minutes away. Eagle is visible (barely) on branch in almost center of photo. Blow it up a bit. Here's a bit of a closer up:


02/24/19 07:29 PM #7846    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Those are great shots Jack...thanks for the beautiful photos you take and share with us. Love, Joanie


02/25/19 02:26 PM #7847    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Greetings from the land of citrus, seafood & sunshine! Hope all are cozy! 

To those who have cared, watched, donated & prayed for our brave 9-11 first responders: today Congress needs to act to permanently maintain funding for those families who still hurt from the health & financial repercussions of that horrible event. Do your part & show support! 

And, perhaps, the forum can help me understand such people as Justin Fairfax & Jussie Smollett who shamelessly undermine every victim of hate assault by comparing themselves to victims of public lynchings. John Lewis made more sense than anyone last night (at the Oscars), when he gently & poignantly reminded us of the differences between the emotionally scarring days through which he lived & those who use racism as a personal or political ploy today. What say you? 

In perusing some past posts that I’ve missed recently, am (first of all) very grateful that I don’t give a horse’s patootie what that British fellow (Nathan?) thinks of Trump & secondly, Jerry needn’t worry about my fear of socialists, since I can sleep at night very well without fear of a rise in ill-afforded socialistic programs as long as Trump is in office. That’s one promise I believe he’ll keep. 

Happily, “Green Book” won best flick last night! See? I TOLD you it was good! And, after seeing “Black Klansman”, perhaps the difference was because the winning flick ends with hope. ‘Klansman’..not so much. Like Hansberry’s “A Raisin in the Sun” or the relationships in “Driving Miss Daisy”, there is something important about the final sequences that leave the viewer/reader knowing the world is better as a result of that story. ‘Klansman’ missed that mark. Sorry, Spike. 

 

 


02/25/19 03:21 PM #7848    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, you mention real concerns with Fairfax and Smollett but why don't you ever mention Donald Trump's hate talk? You excuse it away it seems. He said both sides have good people re: the KKK March....who are the good people in the KKK March chanting hate talk Nori?...and even if you feel Immigrants at the border are a big threat which I disagree with, do you really feel ok that Trump says Mexicans are rapists? Are you ok that Trump singles out the NY Times saying THEY are the enemy of the people...this talk is dangerous. There are people who act on comments like that. Thoughts? Love, Joanie


02/25/19 06:44 PM #7849    

 

Jack Mallory

You just don't get it, Joanie. Trump's hateful speech seems to inspire mentally ill and violence prone individuals, armed with the help of the NRA, who threaten journalists, immigrants, liberal politicians, Jews, Muslims and others. Anything that protects us from "traitors," or "enemies of the people," or "socialists," anything that helps us sleep at night, is justifiable, or at least excusable.

Socialists, "socialistic programs," like labor unions; Social Security; VA Health care. Next thing you know, it's universal health care; government sponsored child care; free university education; and then, The Gulag. We've all been to those brutal socialist hell-holes where they have such programs. God knows we don't want to live like the Swedes, in gross poverty and under the dictatorial thumb of social democrats. If a little hate talk keeps the socialist boogy-man away, I say let's have more of it. 

 

And speaking of hateful lies—Donny Jr. tell us, 

He, like Trump and Trumpsters generally, offered no evidence for his claim. As the article points out, though:

The Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino, estimated that of the approximately 21,000 reported hate crimes between 2016 and 2018, just under 50 of those, or 0.2 percent, were found to be false.”

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jr-hate-crimes-hoaxes-fox-friends-jussie-smollett-1343168


02/25/19 06:46 PM #7850    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Wow, this takes the cake...Trump is getting a group of so called scientists together to say that climate change is not happening after it has been proven undeniably to be true by the scientific community.......we can even tell ourselves with the severe weather that is going on and the rising seas, etc....It doesn't surprise me how low Trump will stoop but I would like a world for my chldren and grandchildren that is not filled with natural disasters caused by climate change. Its an emergency!  Love, Joanie


02/25/19 08:21 PM #7851    

 

Jack Mallory

What should be our first priority as a society—mitigating climate change and its demonstrable links to sea-level rise, storm damage, wild land fires, crop disruption, and disease spread, or corporate profits? You'd have to be some kinda goddam socialist pinko not to put profits first!

Gotta get to work on those sweatshirts!

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Decided on a hat instead. Got too many sweatshirts. 

Create a little cognitive dissonance next time I’m around the Trumpsters. 


02/26/19 12:37 PM #7852    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

With the best of them, I could continue to rail, press & rant about & against political campaign rhetoric, questionable moral decisions, character issues & the like, which constantly surface in our flawed politicians on both sides of the aisle. I could but it’s irrelevant. That, I will leave to ethics & oversight committees & those hell bent on embarking on impeachments & seeking “gotchas” to tilt elections one way or another, OR those who stand to make millions from various media ratings. The forum has the upper hand when it comes to those ruminations. From my standpoint, so far the Dems stand for: impeachment; hating Trump; Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez; racial reparations; infanticide (check out the Sasse bill which was defeated yesterday), hating Trump, a green new deal (to the tune of $99T over 10 years), open borders, rehashing the 2016 election; blocking Trump’s emergency declaration which aims to target human/drug trafficking & the end of one-in-three rapes of women seeking the US; ICE removal; free healthcare; free education (K thru college); higher taxes; did I mention hating Trump?  Now, if I don’t like Trump, I can just not vote for him next time. But it’s tough when I want what he seems to want to fight for: immigration reform emphasizing an end to human & drug trafficking;  border security; the ousting of Maduro; fairer trade; tackling opioid addiction; more school security measures; sanctuary city defunding; tightening abortion reporting & laws; an end to long term abortion, voter ID registration; term limits; strong military; state-of-the-art cyber security; stronger law enforcement; strong Israel alliance & Mid East stability; pharmaceutical constraints on pricing; lower taxes; strong manufacturing, jobs, wages; VA improvements, etc. 

Perhaps the forum can refresh my memory & share where the Dems have shown a willingness to exercise a reasonable AGENDA rather than ebullience only to undermine & investigate. 

Off to replenish my sunscreen supply. 😎


02/26/19 02:24 PM #7853    

 

Jack Mallory

Any way to know if any of your assertions are true, Nora? Policy hasn’t changed—no references, not worth responding to. 


02/26/19 02:44 PM #7854    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Yes, there is always the possibility I am wrong. Sorry, I never realized I needed to state the obvious. 


02/26/19 02:59 PM #7855    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

I’m not sure how many of you even watch the academy awards but there were some real bad calls as far as I’m concerned.  The best film award went to formulaic, by-the-books, feel good (for white people) movie, “Greenbook” that wraps up with everyone eating Italian food in the Bronx and implies that well, we’ve solved this whole race thing haven’t we?  “Driving Miss Daisy” all over again. What a joke. Yes, it’s fine to have a movie where a bad, racist guy changes his views. That feels good. But those characters still lived in a dangerously racist society and over 50 years later we still haven’t erased that ugliness. There still needs to be a Greenbook today (the book not the movie).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/23/racism-isnt-dead-black-americans-still-need-green-book/?utm_term=.475113b1992d&wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1

The second injustice……though I understand wanting to make up for the academy’s longstanding ignoring of Spike Lee, was the award to Spike Lee for original screenplay for “BlacKkKlansman”. If any of you saw it I’d like to know if you agree. The first half was funny, interesting, clever……….and then it fell to pieces.  We were looking at each other saying - wha?  That makes no sense! Why would they send their only black cop to be a bodyguard for David Duke when the cop had spent hours on the phone with Duke and was sure to recognize him. There are  lots of other flaws but it was the most inexplicable script of the year.  In my opinion the academy award in 1990 should have gone to Spike Lee for “Do the Right Thing”, his best movie. Instead that year his movie was not even nominated and the best picture Oscar went to…..ta dah - “Driving Miss Daisy”.

And for what it’s worth, I think Glen Close got robbed. Although Olivia Colman was pretty great in “The Favorite”. And highpoint of the whole event was Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper singing “Shallow.”


02/26/19 03:34 PM #7856    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

So agree that Glenn Close got robbed! She was stunning as the overlooked, unlauded wife. Oddly, Close has been nominated several times & has never won. Perhaps there is something politically unseemly &/or behind-the-scenes going on. Her range from Malkowich’s evil sidekick  in “Dangerous Liassons” to Disney’s Cruella deVille, is too accurate to have missed the boat this many times. I believe, like an umpire making a bad pitch call & then making an inaccurate call to correct the previous call, the Academy does that all the time. If you ever followed Liz Taylor’s movie career, you would know she deserved an Oscar long before she got it. And when she finally did, it was presented for her lesser performance in “Butterfield 8”. 

As for “Green Book” several of my son’s Black friends really liked it. Mostly, for reasons like the fact it was true & imparted the flavor of that decade meticulously. If you believe that racism lives within groups because of a lack of understanding & therefore driven by fear, it imparted a lesson in how to make it disappear. I disagree wholeheartedly with you that the times haven’t improved from those days. Of course, whether Black or White, it depends on one’s lens. Either way, it would seem that  “Green Book” pleased plenty of folks from both races to have taken the ultimate honor. 


02/26/19 04:03 PM #7857    

 

Jack Mallory

“never realized I needed to state the obvious.”

Ok, I’ll make it easy for you. Provide evidence (quotes, references) for just one of your many claims: that the Democratic Party “stands for” “hating Trump.” Or, if you don’t mean it's a party policy but simply that most of those who identify as Democrats hate Trump, provide evidence for that. Not that they dislike his policies, believe he lies constantly, thinks he's a bigot or a danger to the Constitution, but that they “hate” him. Otherwise, as is so frequently the case, it's just bullshit. 

If it's that obvious, shouldn’t be hard to come up with some evidence. We'll wait. 

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Joan—one of my life lengthening strategies, along with not watching sports, is not watching the Academy Awards, or the Emmys, or the Grammys. Adds weeks to my life every year! I did finish listening to that podcast series on The Big One. I'll take our ice storms instead.

 

 


02/26/19 04:17 PM #7858    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Oh! Was I in error when I assumed that the Left leaning folks on this forum were in agreement with Helen Lambie Goldstein’s post from Nathan White? Does that count as a source as to the hatred toward this President? I believe Helen exclaimed that she loved it! Is she alone or did I miss something? 


02/26/19 04:54 PM #7859    

 

Jack Mallory

 

THAT'S IT? The best evidence you can offer that Democratic Party policy, or the majority belief of millions of Democrats, stands for hating Trump is that a half a dozen people on the BCC Forum agreed with a post? Come on, you can do better than that! Or not—but you see why one might think it was all BS.

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13 Republican Representatives voted today to condemn Trump's Emergency Declaration, “which aims to target human/drug trafficking & the end of one-in-three rapes of women seeking the US.“ Several Republican Senators will do the same tomorrow. By Nora's logic, we can conclude that Republicans generally stand for drug smuggling, human trafficking, and rape, right?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/us/politics/national-emergency-vote.htm


02/26/19 10:10 PM #7860    

 

Jay Shackford

Fireworks start tomorrow with Michael Cohen's testimony before Congress.  He's a witness to Trump's past and it's going to get real, real ugly.  It also will mark a critical turning point .... the beginning of the end of the Trump presidency.  Because Nori's been so critical of Nate White's commentary on Trump (think we struck a nerve here), I'm posting it again for those of you who might have missed it.   It was first posted by Helen about a week ago.  Thank you Helen for the best post in more than a year. In my view, Nate White's description of Trump will match up perfectly with Michael Cohen's testimony on Trump's criminal and bat-shit crazy behavior over the past decade.  

Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that: 

* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are. 

* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


02/27/19 06:06 AM #7861    

 

Jack Mallory

Thanks for the reread, Jay. Like you, Helen, and perhaps a few others who post to the forum, I do enjoy seeing a good British take-down. I don’t agree with White's claim that Trump makes Nixon look trustworthy—only Judas could do that!

Trump's bone spurs don’t seem to be bothering him  in Vietnam. Years on the golf course seem to have cured them. 

I think posts from the Js should be read as if they contained a warning that, “None of the aforesaid commentary should be taken as representative of the opinions of tens of millions of Democrats, liberals, progressives, socialists, enemies of the people, or traitors who might hold different, more positive or negative views of Individual 1.” 

Got to work this morning. But I'll be checking my newsfeed to hear what insider insight Mr. Cohen offers. 


02/27/19 08:26 AM #7862    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Getting whip lash from jumping from Trump to Oscars to Brits! Jack, I thought you asked me to name one source that could show how the Left hates Trump. It was an obvious one for all of us to see & posted by one of our own, then re-posted by another of our own. Jay, no nerve is touched in me from anything Nathan White wrote. What HAS touched a nerve in me is the nauseating reality that all 6 Democratic candidates, striving to become our next President, voted down a measure to protect LIVING, BREATHING babies from death. Second to that is the notion that anyone could claim that what has happened & continues to happen on our southern border is not an emergency situation. Drug trafficking, sex trafficking, children kidnapped & trafficked, MS-13, 4000 homicides, multiple deportation returnees. Are you kidding me? After failing to do squat for 20 years, how many more years do we have to wait to get that mess taken care of? Whether Trump is articulate or not, witty or not, stupid or not, funny or not, greedy or not, golfing or not, dodging Nam or not, loyal to his wife or not, told his lawyer to cover up payments to women or not, soft-talked Putin or not, tried to get dirt on Hillary or not - it all pales when we compare it to today’s humanitarian crises at our own border & now, it would seem, in hospitals & doctors’ offices across our own country. And yes, it’s a shame that Jay’s frothing at the mouth over Michael Cohen’s possible dirt on Trump is today’s forum headline, while our leader (likeable or not) is on the other side of the world trying to bring some sanity to our relationship with North Korea. 

Btw, I recently ran across this quote from Alveda King: 

“Abortion & racism are both symptoms of a fundamental human error. The error is thinking that when someone stands in the way of our wants, we can justify getting that person out of our lives. Abortion & racism stem from the same poisonous root: selfishness.”

Hard to argue with that. 


02/27/19 08:59 AM #7863    

 

Jack Mallory

So the evidence that the entirety of “the Left,” whatever that is, hates Trump is that one person wrote an article and a few others enjoyed it. Can’t argue with logic like that. No point. 


02/27/19 09:53 AM #7864    

 

Glen Hirose

   Was it really 7 unanswered goals?

   Image result for caps beat senators 7 to 2


02/27/19 09:54 AM #7865    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, your description of the situation on the Southern border is incorrect. You are falling prey to Fox news propaganda. Its just not true, and the facts don't support what you are saying Nori as drugs come in at points of entry, and border crossings have been steadily down, and crime rates are very low for immigrants versus native born. etc.  Its clear too that you are feeling that the end justifies the means as you are anti abortion apparently in all cases it seems. If I am wrong about that, you can clairify. There are cases where a woman's life is at stake or the baby will be born brain dead, so even for anti abortion advocates, there are sometimes acknowledged exceptions. If you are a one or two issue person, anti abortion and wanting the WALL, etc. that many experts have said isn't going to be a good fix for border security, it sounds like you feel that anything Trump has done is ok because he is for those things that you are for. And for those that care so much about the abortion issue, why are you not caring about children who were separated from their parents. They are traumatized now forever from that cruel separation policy. and its not the fault of their parents who were fleeing their deaths to come find refuge in America. Do you think the fact that so many in his administration are now convicted felons means nothing...Maybe you think he just picks crooks to be with him. As for hating Trump, we don't hate Trump but we hate his racism and assault on the environment and trusting Putin over our intelligence team....WE CARE about those things. You apparently don't care about those things...that is why we can all exercise our right to vote in the next election. You can vote for Trump and we have a right not to. Love, Joanie


02/27/19 10:17 AM #7866    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Joanie, there are many assumptions you are making which are inaccurate about what I believe & don’t believe. I am tempted to clarify each point but will keep it short & simply ask: do you NOT care about correcting the problems you have mentioned at the southern border? The separation of families, the death of two children that we know, the rapes, etc.? This president has drawn new attention to these problems & to me, our illegal immigration system is a life & death situation. What other criteria would be needed to constitute an emergency? Other presidents have declared emergencies, so why not this one? As for your continued insistence that 90 some percent of drugs come through legal entries: Joanie, we can’t know what we don’t know. How can you & I know how many drugs come through illegal channels when we can’t know how many people even come through illegally? 

My preference for abortion is that there be more & better reporting of it; that there be laws against late term abortions when babies experience pain response; that babies who are born ALIVE are given a chance to life. 

Presidents come & go, but these issues will haunt us long after Trump is out of office. 

Postscript: Jack, not sure I understand when & where you noted my alluding to the Left “in it’s entirety”. Knowing no group is a monolith, I would never assume (or intend to assume) any issue emanating from either side of the aisle would encompass “all” of any group. 


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