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02/23/20 09:55 PM #10849    

 

Jack Mallory

The Walter Cronkite meme distorts Cronkite's place in the history of journalism. Perhaps Cronkite's greatest moment as a reporter was his honest coverage of the aftermath of Tet in 1968. The reality of the war compared to government descriptions drove him to draw conclusions, to report the truth as he saw it, express his opinions about the disastrous nature of the entire war, rather than just "reading the news" about the Tet debacle itself. 

After a helicopter flight with a dozen or so American casualties in body bags, Cronkite returned to the US and gave a CBS News special report which he concluded by saying,

"We've been too often disappointed by the optimism of the American leaders both in Vietnam and Washington to have faith any longer in the silver linings they find in the darkest clouds . . . For it seems now more certain than ever, that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past. . .  it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could."

https://www.wbur.org/npr/106775685/story.php

 


02/24/20 10:21 AM #10850    

 

Glen Hirose

   У нас есть еще один русский!

   Image result for Ilya Kovalchuk

     ...and we got him from the Canadiens.  Is Hockey an interestin sport, or what?

   

   

  

 


02/24/20 12:33 PM #10851    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

I fail to see the distortion, Jack. To try & use Cronkite's sad summation of a well intentioned but desperately failing war policy, & does so without malice, recrimination, persuasive political finger-pointing but with joined despair seems to underscore the meme's thesis entirely. If you're watching anybody who emulates a similar style today, I'd like to know who it is. CSPAN is closest but tell me quick who & what is without agenda? Finding the "anchor" in any anchorperson is tough. "Rancor"not so much. 


02/24/20 01:30 PM #10852    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

You are missing the whole point Nori. Its not that Trump would of course be irritated that the Russians interfering in our election is brought up again and get rid of Maquire, its that the Russians are interfering in our election again and removing the truth teller warning of this is dangerous Nori. You just seem to blow off our intelligence departments who say that foreign interference is dangerous to our free elections. I am sorry you find a way to excuse Trump no matter what. And believe me, I am sure Walter Cronkite would turn over in his grave if he could see what is going on today. Love, Joanie


02/24/20 01:42 PM #10853    

 

Jack Mallory

Having an agenda is having both a personal opinion and a personal plan about something. To use the word "sad" is to acknowledge that Cronkite's statement is a subjective, emotionally charged conclusion and recommendation that meets that description. I agree with every word of it, and admire Cronkite for going beyond the 5 Ws of normal reporting and addressing the much larger issues. 

But this is NOT what the anonymous author of the statement in the meme advocates--read the news, sign off, and shut up. Cronkite was a journalist who in his post-Tet statement did far more than just reporting the news and letting the listener make up their own mind, as the meme author (why no name?) claims. He personally synthesized his years of reporting on the war and came to his own, subjective conclusion that the war, as carried out by American leaders, had failed. He was, of course, correct. He then goes on, far beyond the role of a reporter, to predict, even advocate for, a negotiated end to the war. 

Cronkite did far more than just read the news, sign off, and shut up. This is why he is admired as the epitome of American journalism, and why it will always be difficult to find journalists of his caliber. Not being a TV watcher, I couldn't suggest anyone. 

I wrote this because I thought that in posting the meme Nora wanted to honor Cronkite for the great journalist that he was, and perhaps advocate for what the memist(?) incorrectly claims was his approach to journalism. I figured adding a more accurate account of Cronkite's work would be relevant in either case.


02/24/20 02:03 PM #10854    

 

Jack Mallory


 

If wouldn’t have to chop through ice to put in, I’d get the kayak out. 


02/24/20 02:46 PM #10855    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Thank you for setting me straight on that, Joanie. I understand your position, but in an election year everything is colored by politics & that may the point that YOU are missing. Platitudes fly high & mighty but mean little when they're agenda based. 

From a fellow classmate, I received this article (below) which makes the point far better than I, that the Las Vegas Democratic debate was, contrary to Joan's declaration, not a debate at all but a colossal waste of expensive television prime time opportunity. It's by Michael Olesker, dated Feb. 22, for The Baltimore Post Examiner: 

DEMOCRATIC DEBATE: WHO CARES IF YOU KNOW THE NAME OF MEXICO'S PRESIDENT WHEN PEOPLE ARE GETTING SHOT AND THE EARTH IS DYING
"I'm eating lunch with four smart guys, men of accomplishment, men with impressive college diplomas earned decades ago, and I toss them a pop quiz which I'm sure can be answered quite easily now by any school child in America. Or, at least, any candidate for president of these United States. 
"The president of Mexico," I say. "What's his name?"

We're gathered at Jilly's restaurant on Reisterstown Road on the day after the Democratic debate in Las Vegas. Everybody remembers this question, because it's the one that Pete Buttigieg asked Amy Klobuchar, after he heard that Klobuchar couldn't recall the name in an earlier interview. Buttigieg loved Klobuchar's brain-lock embarrassment so much that he wouldn't let it go. He was a mongrel with a bone. He was a schoolboy taunting a girl who imagined she was the smartest kid in class, and he's got proof that she's not. In which case, she got lots of company - including the guys at my lunch table the day after the debate. 
"The President," I say to them again, "of Mexico."

Blank stares. I haven't seen such empty looks since 10th grade geometry. Nobody's got a clue. They watched the same presidential debate, & saw the same bared fangs & the same extended sniping between Buttigieg & Klobuchar, like 33 million other prospective voters watched (and probably struggled to come up with the right name.)

"Ok," I say, "if you can't name the president of Mexico, how about the president of the Baltimore City Council?"
Nothing. The name's out there somewhere, but it's just beyond their reach. And so, on this basis, I guess none of these guys are qualified to be president of the city council, much less president of  the United States.

Absurd, of course. But good to bring up because it's always fun to mock our political leaders' shortcomings & also good to poke fun at ourselves. But let's also ask why these Democrats were spending so much time on Klobuchar's momentary memory block when there were real issues out there which everybody seems to forget about. 
Folks, they held this debate in Las Vegas, the scene of the worst mass shooting in modern American history, where 58 people were killed, 413 wounded & 869 injured in the panic that ensued.

The first one to bring up that horrifying 2017 bloodbath was Joe Biden -- in his closing statement. 
the Las Vegas shooting was considered an aberration. In Baltimore, shootings are considered a municipal twitch. In the last 30 days here, we've had 23 homicides. Since January 1, we've had 44. Last year, we had 347. And that's just Baltimore. In 2018, the last year for which we have full figures, more than 16,000 people were killed across the country, mainly by gunfire. But we have a president named Trump who resides in the back pocket of the NRA & who's got a plan to break through that kind of political sell-out? 
Then there's the climate change issue. The Democrats know all about this - or should, since this president denies the problem & calls it "a hoax." An entire planet trembles and this guy boasts of his own sheer ignorance. As the Democrats gathered in Las Vegas, voters across Nevada were polled on the most pressing issues of our time. And 86% of them said, "climate and the environment" were 'very important' or 'the most important' issue of 2020. 
Folks, 2019 was the second hottest year on record, just behind 2016. The last decade since the 1960s has been hotter than the previous decade. We're hitting a five day stretch here in Baltimore, where the temperature's set to hover in the mid 50's. It's a February! We've had days in the 60's this month. The temperatures in February's supposed to be in the 30's or lower around here! Single-digit temperatures used to be pretty routine, but we haven't even approached such cold this year. 
The polar ice caps are breaking off, and the glaciers are melting, & one day soon we'll have the shrunken remains of icebergs floating in this city's Inner Harbor. 
In their 2 hours of debate, the Democrats gave 16 minutes to climate issues. 
So, yeah, let's spend a lot of time talking about Amy Klobuchar's brainlock. 
Just for the record, the president of Mexico is Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador. And the president of the Baltimore city council is Brandon Stokes. 
There now. Are we feeling any better about our American future?"
 

(A personal footnote: Interestingly, I'm not a Dem, but that debate made me mad. And this article indicates with good reason why you should be mad too.)

 

 

 

 


02/24/20 02:53 PM #10856    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Aside to Jack: continue to avoid watching TV news. 
 


02/24/20 04:16 PM #10857    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I'm glad you understand now Nori, if that is what you meant by thanking me for setting you straight that Russia is continuing to meddle in our election to affect the outcome. That is very dangerous and worthy of being brought to the forefront as Maguire did to Congress...too bad Trump got rid of him as he doesn't like that Russia hoax story and besides Putin denied it happened yet our own intelligence agencies said it did...Trump hasn't lifted a finger to protect us..Putin told him it wasn't true.. As for the Democratic debate, I thought they should have spent more time on Trump but the questions were not directed so much towards Trump. I thought Buttijeg was not effective to go after Amy for not knowing the name of the President of Mexico. At least the Democratic debate was mild in comparison to the Trump ones last time around...low energy Bush, little Marco, homely Carla, etc...those were really substantial things to emphasize by Trump. Love, Joanie


02/24/20 05:29 PM #10858    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Name calling & such are just distractions used in campaigns to secure headlines & sound bites. But, when it comes time to actually filling out a ballot, the voters are bereft of knowing the issues for which each candidate stands. Debates are lost opportunities & people like me are frustrated with both sides when participants refuse to debate issues that are meaningful to all of us. Gotcha politics sucks. That said, I have no choice but to watch yet again tomorrow night: 

 


02/25/20 07:12 AM #10859    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

As do I admire Cronkite's work, including that particular shared observation, Jack. He also authored   his book, "A Reporter's Life" & expressed his insight through interviews, of course. (I never read his story but perhaps it would be a good time to do so.) But when it came to nightly news reports, he respected the listeners enough NOT to let his personal perspective become any part of the story. To enable THEM to get the facts & not color with political narrative, was a much healthier time & one I can't help but mourn. He was a proud Democrat but most could not detect his party affiliation, unless they dug deeper. And yes, he knew when to shut up. Apparently a lost art. 
Somebody stop me! Am starting to get that itch for another pooch: 

 


02/25/20 07:36 AM #10860    

 

Jack Mallory

When complaints about the tone/content of campaign debates and gotcha politics come from those who themselves deal in lies and other misinformation, should we take their complaints more or less seriously?

Even if some folks think it's ok to post BS about other things, here's a reminder of the dangers of passing on misinformation about Covid-19, and how to filter such crap. 

https://apple.news/ATIb75KaLRjKkCnt1_CzNVQ

********

We went to York Beach, Sunday. Not yet in the 50s, like yesterday, but feeling spring-like. 


 


02/25/20 08:30 AM #10861    

 

Jack Mallory

I would like to correct myself on Cronkite's post-Tet statement. As a CBS Vews Special Report, it should probably be seen more as an editorial or news analysis rather than straight news. I do think it is testimony to his greatness as a journalist, but not an example of his work as a reporter. Sorry about the misleading post. 


02/25/20 10:01 AM #10862    

 

Glen Hirose

Jack,

The red balloon you captured an image of could have very well been released in Maryland. You need not be concerned however as the Maryland Legislature has past an emergency measure signed by our governor into law banning any further balloon releases.

  Image result for balloon releases

I'm amazed; maybe Maryland's politicians can act on important environmental concerns. Let's see if they can act on the cap pistol issue this session...


02/25/20 12:48 PM #10863    

 

Jay Shackford

 

Thought I’d jump in and add some random thoughts on Trump and the upcoming primaries in South Carolina and Super Tuesday. Here goes:

  • Going to the scoreboard first, Barack Obama added 8.08 million jobs during his final 36 months in office.  In contrast, Old Bone Spurs added only 6.56 million jobs during his first 36 months in office.  Month after month Obama is clearly winning the jobs race. 
  • The annual deficit is expected to top $1 trillion by the end of this fiscal year on Sept. 30, 2020.  It was just under $1 trillion in FY 2019.  During Obama’s last year in office, the deficit was about $450 billion. In other words, Trump has more than doubled the annual deficit thanks to his $1 trillion tax cut to the very wealthy, his crazy trade deals and his reckless and wacky economic policies.  
  • Deficits are supposed to shrink during times of economic growth. It happened under the Obama Administration but deficits are rising under the Trump Administration.  This raises a very perplexing question: how much leverage will we have when the economy gets into real trouble?  You can’t cut interest rates much more from where they are today and where are we going to find the money to pay for a fiscal stimulus plan when the deficit is already busting at its seams.  
  • Looking at the GDP growth of the last 10 U.S. Presidents, Trump ranks sixth in the rankings.  If our worst fears on the Coronavirus come true, he will drop down a couple of more notches in the rankings.  Trump is also one of the most obese Presidents ever – second only to Howard Taft.  He says he’s 6’3” (he’s really 6’1’) weighting in at a pasty 262.  Barack Obama was young, lean and presidential – at 6’1’and 175 pounds. I’m with Nori on this one – looks matter.  Trump reminds me of a blowhard at the end of the bar who’s had one too many while Obama is just finishing a three-mile run. 
  •  I guess Trump has switched from “drain the swamp” to “pardon the swamp.”  Give Rush a week with the “Medal of Freedom” wrapped around his neck and he goes ballistic on the airwaves spouting all sorts of racist and un-American propaganda. 
  • With the budget deficit at $1 trillion, Trump’s budget for next year calls for cuts in Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, clean water enforcement, EPA funding by a hefty 26%, housing, education – just to name a few. Meanwhile, he wants to cuts taxes for his rich buddies and spend more on building the border wall and caging toddlers.  Hey, what a guy.  
  • As with most presidential budget plans, Trump’s budget is dead on arrival and we can thank God, tradition and Nancy Pelosi for that.  
  • With the Trump presidency going into its fourth (and hopefully last year), we are right back to where we started with a President who is a narcissistic cheat, pathological liar, corrupt and a bat-shit crazy con man who is on Putin’s payroll and is out to enrich himself and his family at the expense of just about everyone else on the planet.   He’s also very stupid – so stupid that he is now feeling empowered by the Senate vote against convicting him of impeachment and is on a rampage to purge the government of his enemies – a move that would make Stalin proud. But make no mistake about it – Trump is one of only three U.S. Presidents to be impeached by the House and that stain on his forehead will never, never be erased.  
  • Consider a Democratic ticket of Michael Bloomberg or Joe Biden with Stacy Abrams as their running mate – that’s Trump’s worst nightmare.  Consider Kamala Harris as Attorney General and Mayor Pete as Secretary of State. Under that scenario, Trump will spend the rest of his days in court and/or in jail for his past misdeeds.  Washington is a town built on rumors, but here’s one that might catch your fancy.  Melania will file for divorce the day Trump’s presidency ends.  She wants to be first in court before all the other lawsuits are filed and while Trump still has some money in the bank.  The so-called prenuptial agreement they once had is void by Trump’s well publicized extra-marital affairs with Stormy and others.  
  • The world faces three existential threats: nuclear war or a major nuclear accident; ecological collapse (global warming) and technological disruptions.  I would add a fourth – the growing gap between the haves and have nots – not just in the U.S. but throughout much of the world.  
  • Forget about the current manufacturing recession in the Midwest and factory jobs heading to Southeast Asia, Mexico and elsewhere, we are, as Andrew Yang and author Yuval Noah Harari have noted,  on the verge of losing some 30 million additional jobs to automation and artificial intelligence over the 10 or 15 years. Yang got a lot of his ideas from Israeli author Harari who wrote “Sapiens --  a Brief History of Humankind.”
  • I will miss the Yang gang.  He could be our next secretary of labor. BTW, did any of you guys see the CNN interview about a month ago with Yang’s wife, who described in graphic detail the sexual abuse she suffered at the hands of her obstetrician when she was pregnant.  Very powerful.  It brought tears to my eyes.  
  • As for my choice for the Democratic nomination, I’m still a Joe Biden supporter. He’s a good, decent guy who has the experience to help rebuild a government that Trump has done his best to destroy.  He’s lost a step or two but Biden will surround himself with a team of bright and thoughtful people who know how to govern and bring the country together.  That’s very important. Stacy Abrams would be a good VP pick and she would build support among the Afro-American and Latino populations.   My second choice would be Michael Bloomberg, who probably scares the shit out of Trump. Now Trump likes to call him “little or tiny Mike” but Bloomberg rises head and shoulders above the crowd when he’s standing on his wallet. 
  • Bloomberg has already committed to setting up major campaign operations in the battleground states of Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Arizona, Florida and a few others.  He’s in it till the end. That means hundreds of millions of dollars-worth of ad buys. He’s already spent $400 million, and his net worth is $62 billion.   Regardless of how his campaign goes for the nomination, Bloomberg is  committed to supporting the Democratic nominee and winning those critical Senate seats to give the Dems control of the Senate – in Arizona, North Carolina, Maine (bye, bye Susan), Iowa and Kentucky.  Imagine what a $50 million ad buy will do in Kentucky during the month leading up to the election.  Bye, bye Moscow Mitch. Let’s not let the “perfect” be the enemy of the “good” or what is practical.  Our goal here is to beat Trump, and beat him decisively.  And win back the Senate. If it takes big money to do that, so be it. 
  • Now I would be remiss if I didn’t mention the 800-pound gorilla in the room – sweet Bernie Sanders.  Bernie is, well, Bernie.  What you get is what you see.  He hasn’t changed an iota since 2016 and even after a heart attack and two stents – cranky as ever, Medicare for all, free education from pre-K through college, cancel student debt, get out of crazy wars, legalize pot, attack climate change, and more.  Hell, if Bernie would throw in a little free sex, I’d vote for him as well. Seriously, if you’re 30 with a $45,000 student debt hanging around your neck and trapped in a dead-end job, you can understand why Bernie has strong support among young Americans. 
  • But to win we need a solid, experienced candidate who can appeal to a wide range of voters.  And we need a realistic platform.  How about fixing and expanding Obama care for starters.  We can add a public option and eventually move toward a universal Medicare for all plan down the road.  How about getting back in the Paris climate accords and taking the lead in fighting climate change and ending our dependence on fossil fuel before it’s too late.  How about getting back in the Iran nuclear deal and realigning our position in the explosive Middle East.  How about scaling back the $1 trillion in tax cuts for the rich and putting that money to work rebuilding our schools and education system, reopening opportunities for young families to buy their first home and build wealth, and launching a multi-year, multi-trillion-dollar program to rebuild our nation’s infrastructure.  Most importantly, how about a candidate who unite a country, and build political coalitions to get things done.  

That’s it for now.  Enjoy tonight’s debate. 

 


02/25/20 01:55 PM #10864    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I like Biden too. Also it would be wonderful to have a President who actually knows something about the challenges a President faces and has good ideas to repair all the damage done under Trump. He is a good descent man too with a heart for others. Love, joanie

02/25/20 02:14 PM #10865    

 

Jack Mallory

Jay, all, take a look at Tom Friedman's concept of a unity ticket for the Dems: Bernie or Bloomberg (shudder, but that's just a personal reaction to another billionaire Prez) as President, the other as Sec. Treas. Klobuchar as VP. Harris as AG. Warren as Sec. HHS. McRaven SECDEF. I'll let you all read the rest. 


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/opinion/democratic-primary-candidates.html?referringSource=articleShare

Yeah, I know. What's Tom smokin'? And I don't even smoke anymore. But it's an interesting fantasy. 

As far as your stats go, Jay, it's just a buncha facts. His supporters don't care about facts, Nora has told us that. blatant lies, ok; evidence-free claims, why not; phony "more thans," "biggest ever," "huge," no problem; unfulfilled promises, sure. But reality is whatever you want it to be. Don't let the real world come between you and whatever you want to believe. We don' need no steenkin' facts!


02/25/20 03:46 PM #10866    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

that's an interesting article Jack...I like Biden and Val Demmings....at the top of the ticket and then I don't know who else. Tonight is going to be firey. I think Bernie will get attacked by Bloomberg and others...Everyone is going to want their shining moment. Love, Joanie


02/26/20 07:31 AM #10867    

 

Jack Mallory

54 years ago today, I joined the Army. 

"He sat for a long time and he thought about his life and how little of it he could ever have foreseen and he wondered for all his will and all his intent how much of it was his own doing."

Colman McCarthy


02/26/20 07:51 AM #10868    

 

Robert Hall

Ft. Holabird (Alice's Restaurant wasn't far off the mark) and the long train ride into terra incognita, the American South , and Fort Benning (Ft Gordon, Ft. Jackson?) for Basic Training and 3.2 beer.

02/26/20 08:13 AM #10869    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Good Morning, Kmart shoppers! After last night's "debate", Jack's daily NYT's offering & the forum posts, I have decided the Dems are truly shopping everywhere for some candidate! For Jay, it is SUCH a crying shame that BHO cannot come from the shadows for another 4 years. So, let's rally ALL the big Dem names, somehow unite their diverse ideologies, put them to work in various departments & save the country from a fat dictator whose wife can't wait to divorce him as soon as he's out of office. All of that day-dreaming is about as realistic as imagining a frail & confused Sec of State Joe Biden poring over speeches as he takes the 'red-eye' to all corners of the globe! God help us. AOC as our Ambassador to the U.N.? O.M. freakin' G. 
(Aside to Jay: whatever "looks" Trump may not have, is MORE than covered by Melania, his stunning arm candy. But I really don't care about that as much as you may think.) Yesterday's CSPAN broadcast showing the couple working the crowds & the receiving lines of dignitaries in India was quite lovely. And impressive. Each drew joy from their hosts & hostesses as they pressed the flesh & exuded goodwill. Moments like those are not conveyed by the MSM. Hmm. One wonders why. 
Anyway, it's great to read your unfettered thoughts about the candidates & your recaps, Jay! They are so thorough! Keep 'em coming! 
For the Dems, they've got a sliver of hope in Bloomberg who's got what it takes to win: $$$$


Caps won in OT last night, after losing a 3-0 lead. Whew! Roller coaster time but they're keeping a little sunshine twixt them & the aggressors. 


 


02/26/20 09:38 AM #10870    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)


02/26/20 11:21 AM #10871    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, you left out re Trump in India his attacks and interference in our judicial system attacking the foreman of the jury in the Stone case as well as the judge in that case etc. Nori, the defense for Stone, knew about the foreman's previous posts and had no problem with her on the jury. It's wrong for Trump to interject himself into these cases and keep claiming biases. Trump likes Barr as he is his own Roy Cohn. Chief Justice Roberts chastised Trump for leveling attacks regarding the Supreme Court and the judiciary in general. I know you will most likely discount Roberts and defend Trump over Roberts anyway, but Trump wants the executive branch to function without the other branches of government.. love joanie

02/26/20 11:39 AM #10872    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

I agree that Trump should not interject his opinions on ongoing judicial cases, Joanie. He deserved Roberts' criticism. When other presidents have done so, I haven't liked that either. So, what's your point? 

 


02/26/20 11:58 AM #10873    

 

Robert Hall

We watched 45's speech in the Indian cricket stadium. Watching DJT congratulate himself on the biggest Indian welcome of any head of state "ever!." Truly embarrassing for our country. Cameras panning across the seats showing lines of people leaving during his mumbling, rambling speech. Boobus Americanus personified. How could anyone in their right mind vote for this putz. He's an international laughingstock.

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