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09/23/20 04:13 PM #13284    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

I guess that depends on your definition of prosperity, Jack. 
Here's something (from that less-than-worthwhile FB) for everybody: 

Enjoy! 




 

 


09/23/20 04:23 PM #13285    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Here are some quotes that strike me as applicable still in this day & age! 












09/23/20 05:01 PM #13286    

 

Helen Lambie (Goldstein)

Here we go again. Nori why do you never think to check out the sources of things you post? As many of us have told you over and over again, not everything you read on the internet is the truth. And some of us care deeply about the truth. Re your Churchill quotes, I have neither the time nor inclination to checkout each one, but can rely on this from Richard M Langworth, senior fellow Hillsdale College Churchill Project (https://richardlangworth.com/az-quotes-mangles-churchills-words)

"Dozens of readers have sent email attachments from a website called AZ Quotes. They ask: “Are these accurate?” The answer: Not a lot. AZ Quotes is a serious purveyor of “Churchillian Drift.” I don’t think there is a larger batch of fake Churchillisms anywhere. This is no modest collection. To paraphrase Churchill, it has much to be modest about."


09/23/20 05:55 PM #13287    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Okay, Helen. There are several sites attributing quotes to Churchill & Amazon carries a number of books loaded with his supposed quotes. Some I have read long ago which were & continue to be attributed to him. Where, in your studies, you discover that a quote is incorrect, just replace it with "anonymous". And I will continue to post good quotes but only when they are good & will not attribute them to anybody. Like you, I haven't the time or want to check out each & every good quote. If you do, feel free to do so & make sure you call me out on it. I wouldn't have it any other way! 
   On another note, this might be good to bolster your endorphin levels ..... and you'll be happy to know it's anonymous: 


09/23/20 08:47 PM #13288    

 

Jack Mallory

And it's not just a matter of truth/accuracy, Helen, which aren't important to some folks, but also an issue of respect for those who have made a difference in the world. To make up or pass on mindless babble and attribute it to those who have had critically important, impassioned things to say does them and history a disservice. Anyone who has read or heard the words Churchill used to rally the British people during WWII understands what true leadership in a time of threat is. 

If a multiplicity of mindless memes is worth posting, so is some of Churchill's real oratory.

 

On taking over from the feckless Chamberlain early on WWII:

“I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this Government: I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I can say: It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength  that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. This is our policy. You ask, what is our aim?

"I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be, for without victory, there is no survival.”


Three weeks later, after the evacuation of British troops from Dunkirk:

“Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous states have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.”

 

Two weeks later, facing the possibility of a Nazi invasion:

“The battle of France is over. I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilisation. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned upon us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war.

"If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, ‘This was their finest hour.’”

 

Why put drivel into the mouth of a man who could speak and lead like this?


09/23/20 09:10 PM #13289    

 

Jack Mallory

Let's not play word games, Nora. Again, to presume that all Americans are surrounded by prosperity is the height of ignorance, privilege, and entitlement. These are not scenes of American prosperity, no matter how you or Ms. Alghren might define it. 

https://twitter.com/nypdnews/status/1306202318640214017?ref_url=https%3a%2f%2ftwitter.com%2f

https://www.undispatch.com/un-human-rights-official-examined-poverty-united-states-findings-hit-hard/



https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/can-fighting-blight-prevent-gun-violence

https://www.capjournal.com/news/pine-ridge-sioux-seeking-new-federal-housing-funds/article_f5a43f1a-a75a-11e5-a9ad-338987908e5b.html

https://centralscene.org/2673/news/poverty-found-where-we-least-expect-it/


09/23/20 10:04 PM #13290    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I agree Jack, that the person discussing all the things people get re: prosperity and such isn't seeing what so many are seeing who don't have that kind of life.

Also, though I too love the friendship of Ruth Bader Ginsberg with Antony Scalia as its a dear friendship where they went to the opera together and had such laughs together, it is so opposite Donald Trump who just blasts everyone who he feels isn't a big Trump supporter. To think just recently he was happy that a reporter got injured in the knees and fell to the ground....Love, Joanie


09/23/20 10:07 PM #13291    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

    We certainly differ in our definitions of 'mindless babble', kind sir. You call thought-provoking quotes,  even misattributed, mindless babble & I call AOC's statement "an entire generation, which is now becoming one of the largest electorates in America, came of age & never saw American prosperity" a large, steaming pile of mindless babble. Did I actually say somewhere that ALL Americans are prosperous? Of course not. The piece in question indicates that "our poverty level begins 31 times above the global average. Thirty one times!" If that is true, I suspect the American generation of which she speaks has known plenty of prosperity, regardless of the writer's personal lot in life. 


09/24/20 12:21 AM #13292    

 

Helen Lambie (Goldstein)

I agree with you, Bob—it is a great program. I just finished watching Frontline’s comparison of Trump and Biden. Neither man is perfect. One realizes this, one does not. I would by far prefer a man who makes mistakes, apologizes for them and then goes on to make himself a better man—learning from these mistakes, than a man who thinks he can do no wrong, thinks he has never made a mistake, has no empathy, sympathy or understanding for anyone except himself. I don’t care that he felt unloved, that he didn’t have a great relationship with his parents—I know plenty of people who have had much worse childhoods yet moved on to adulthood as fine human beings. Trump is not one of those people. The sooner we, as a nation, are rid of him, the better. Then we can all move on to becoming better people, both individually and as a country.


09/24/20 03:20 AM #13293    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

 

Nori, your little Facebook friend has been told that she and her peers have never know prosperity. Who’s telling her friends this? I guess her friend’s parents weren’t doing their jobs. I drilled that concept into my kids daily. That’s why they have empathy for those who have less. That’s NOT “pitting haves against have nots.” That’s realizing you can help make a difference for the have nots. Maybe you’d just rather sit on the beach and congratulate yourself for being a lucky, comfortable white person who lacks for nothing? Nori, you’re just never going to get it.

 

If you concentrate on what you don't have, you will never, ever have enough"

Correct. That’s why Mary Trump’s book is called “Too much and Never Enough” Maybe you should be sending your little advice to DT.

 

“I don’t have time to check out each & every quote” That’s fine, then I don’t have time to read them. Actually I have all the time in the world. I’m retired. I just would rather go for a hike in the countryside or swim a few laps than read quotes pulled out of your……..thin air.

The fact that you have all the time in the world to dig up incorrectly attributed quotes but no time to find out if they are true or not is, as always, showing the usual disrespect for us. I will further disrespect you by not giving them the time of day.

 

Thanks as always Helen!


09/24/20 08:02 AM #13294    

 

Jack Mallory

"our poverty level begins 31 times above the global average. Thirty one times!"

Senior moment on my part, I guess. What does this mean? Global average of what? What is it that begins 31 times above the global average? What is the number that is 31 times what number? After it begins, where does it go? What do these numbers represent? You repeat this as if you understand it, Nora, so help me out. Put it in words an old fart can understand. Not kidding, I really need help understanding this. 

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"Islam is more dangerous in a man than rabies in a dog." Bigoted babble. Dangerous drivel. Ascribe it to a man respected as an historic figure and you support it as truth. Do you, Nora? If not, why spread it? I won't bother with the other phony Churchill quotes.

 

Thomas Jefferson quotes on religion, especially Christianity:

"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."

"Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses."

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."

"To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. to say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, & Stewart."

"All thinking men are atheists."

"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration--courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth."

"England has forty-two religions and only two sauces."

"Without religion, we'd have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

"Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world."

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

"In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point." 

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people"

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

"If there is no God, who pops up the next Kleenex?"  https://www.rationalresponders.com/atheist_anti_religious_quotes

Thomas Jefferson, perhaps the wisest, certainly the most prescient, of all the Founders.


09/24/20 11:39 AM #13295    

 

Jack Mallory

Helen, anybody? Still trying to figure out what the average global poverty level means, how ours is 31 times whatever it is. I started trying to figure it out when Nora posted the Alghren piece, now she repeats it as if she knows what it means but I still don't understand. 

Nora, really, I need help understanding this. 

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/09/23/trump-wont-commit-to-peaceful-power-transfer-says-get-rid-of-the-ballots-for-continuation-of-his-presidency/


I think Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski understand this photo, as does Cindy McCain. 


09/24/20 01:19 PM #13296    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

GET RID OF THE BALLOTS!

Explain to us Nori and your secret friends why this is American, legal, Democatic, moral? We await your analysis.


09/24/20 03:43 PM #13297    

 

Jack Mallory

Ballots, Joan? Trump don' need no steenkin' ballots! But nearly 500 national security experts think we do.

NATIONAL SECURITY LEADERS FOR BIDEN

We are 489 retired Generals, Admirals, Senior Noncommissioned Officers, Ambassadors and Senior Civilian National Security Officials supporting Joe Biden for President. (My emphasis.)

 


AN OPEN LETTER TO AMERICA

 

September 24, 2020

To Our Fellow Citizens:

 

We are former public servants who have devoted our careers, and in many cases risked our lives, for the United States. We are generals, admirals, senior noncommissioned officers, ambassadors, and senior civilian national security leaders. We are Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. We love our country. Unfortunately, we also fear for it. The COVID-19 pandemic has proven America needs principled, wise, and responsible leadership. America needs a President who understands, as President Harry S. Truman said, that “the buck stops here.”

 

We the undersigned endorse Joe Biden to be the next President of the United States. He is the leader our nation needs.

 

We believe that Joe Biden is, above all, a good man with a strong sense of right and wrong. He is guided by the principles that have long made America great: democracy is a hard-won right we must defend and support at home and abroad; America’s power and influence stem as much from her moral authority as it does from her economic and military power; America’s free press is invaluable, not an enemy of the people; those who sacrifice or give their lives in service of our nation deserve our respect and eternal gratitude; and America’s citizens benefit most when the United States engages with the world. Joe Biden will always put the nation’s needs before his own. 

 

Those who have served know empathy is a vital leadership quality – you cannot do what is best for those you lead if you do not know their challenges. Joe Biden has empathy born of his humble roots, family tragedies and personal loss. When Americans are struggling, Joe Biden understands their pain and takes it upon himself to help. 

 

We believe America’s president must be honest, and we find Joe Biden’s honesty and integrity indisputable. He believes a nation’s word is her bond. He believes we must stand by the allies who have stood by us. He remembers how America’s NATO allies rushed to her side after 9/11; how the Kurds fought by our side to defeat ISIS; and how Japan and South Korea have been steadfast partners in countering North Korean and Chinese provocations. Joe Biden would never sell out our allies to placate despots or because he dislikes an allied leader.

 

While some of us may have different opinions on particular policy matters, we trust Joe Biden’s positions are rooted in sound judgment, thorough understanding, and fundamental values.

 

We know Joe Biden has the experience and wisdom necessary to navigate America through a painful time. He has grappled with America’s most difficult foreign policy challenges for decades, learning what works – and what does not – in a dangerous world. He is knowledgeable, but he also knows that listening to diverse and dissenting views is essential, particularly when making tough decisions concerning our national security. Many of us have briefed Joe Biden on matters of national security, and we know he demands a thorough understanding of any issue before making a decision – as any American president should.

 

Finally, Joe Biden believes in personal responsibility. Over his long career, he has learned hard lessons and grown as a leader who can take positive action to unite and heal our country. It is unthinkable that he would ever utter the phrase “I don’t take responsibility at all.”

 

The next president will inherit a nation – and a world – in turmoil. The current President has demonstrated he is not equal to the enormous responsibilities of his office; he cannot rise to meet challenges large or small. Thanks to his disdainful attitude and his failures, our allies no longer trust or respect us, and our enemies no longer fear us. Climate change continues unabated, as does North Korea’s nuclear program. The president has ceded influence to a Russian adversary who puts bounties on the heads of American military personnel, and his trade war against China has only harmed America’s farmers and manufacturers. The next president will have to address those challenges while struggling with an economy in a deep recession and a pandemic that has already claimed more than 200,000 of our fellow citizens. America, with 4% of the world’s population suffers with 25% of the world’s COVID-19 cases. Only FDR and Abraham Lincoln came into office facing more monumental crises than the next president.

 

Joe Biden has the character, principles, wisdom, and leadership necessary to address a world on fire. That is why Joe Biden must be the next President of the United States; why we vigorously support his election; and why we urge our fellow citizens to do the same.

 

Sincerely,

 

The signature block would have taken 14 screen shots to reproduce! But it's available here: https://www.nationalsecurityleaders4biden.com/

 

I'm sure Trump and his supporters would have us believe that these are un-American traitors, socialists, losers, terrorists, thugs, murderers, Mexicans, MS-13 gangsters trying to destroy our suburbs or whatever this week's threat labels may be. Looks to me like these 489 career public servants know who the threat really is. 


09/24/20 09:11 PM #13298    

 

Jack Mallory

Trump on Thursday, again reaffirming his belief in American democracy: "ballots — you know, that’s a whole big scam,” 
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/09/24/us/trump-vs-biden-election?referringSource=articleShare

 

The NYT is right. Ivan in the troll factory in Minsk couldn't do a better job casting doubt on our electoral process, on our democratic system, than the President of the United States himself. Why would he be doing this? When I wonder if I'm being paranoid, I remind myself that even paranoids have enemies.

 

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Another way in which The President does Ivan's work is in his attacks on our educational system, which admittedly has not done him much good. As a retired teacher of the "twisted lies" and "ideological poison" Trump describes in his condemnation of American pedagogy (do you know how hard it is to work ideological poison into every lesson plan?), I'm just starting Wilkerson's Caste: the Origins of our Discontent, on the history of racial division in the United States. Like The 1619 Project, another target of Professor Trump's critique of our curriculum, Caste appears to be an honest and well-informed attempt to understand the 21st Century through the lens of history. 
 

The Times calls it, "an extraordinary document, one that strikes me as an instant American classic and almost certainly the keynote nonfiction book of the American century thus far." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/books/review-caste-isabel-wilkerson-origins-of-our-discontents.html


Wilkerson explains why we study the most brutal and frightening aspects of our past in a way perhaps too erudite for Trump, but so that most of the rest of us can appreciate:

 

"Looking beneath the history of one’s country is like learning that alcoholism or depression runs in one’s family or that suicide has occurred more often than might be usual or, with the advances in medical genetics, discovering that one has inherited the markers of a BRCA mutation for breast cancer. You don’t ball up in a corner with guilt or shame at these discoveries. You don’t, if you are wise, forbid any mention of them. In fact, you do the opposite. You educate yourself. You talk to people who have been through it and to specialists who have researched it. You learn the consequences and obstacles, the options and treatment. You may pray over it and meditate over it. Then you take precautions to protect yourself and succeeding generations and work to ensure that these things, whatever they are, don’t happen again."

 

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Ok, Nora, I don't blame you. I have no idea what Ms. Ahlgren's statement means either. After looking at many global poverty sites I can't find ANYTHING approximating her garbled claim. It's so incoherent I doubt that she even understood what she was trying to say. But I don't know why you were such a cheer-leader for it if you didn't know what it meant. 
 

Enthusiastic approval of meaningless mumbo jumbo, likening Muslims to rabid dogs, and using completely discredited scientific sources such as Dr. Yan is like a Trump rally right here on the Forum!

 

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09/25/20 08:07 AM #13299    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack, I love that photo. I like the reflections in the water and all the beautiful colors. Love, joanie

09/25/20 08:09 AM #13300    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

     Hmm. Maybe it means our poorest have food, cellphones & TVs, whereas the Haitians in Abaco have mud. Maybe it means that American citizens are mad they don't get more from their government because they don't realize the many countries that provide nothing for their citizens. Just a couple of guesses. Maybe it's a generation that forgot or never learned JFK's "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country". Just some guesses. 
    Helen, if all it takes is an apology...oh, never mind. Believe whatever the heck you want. 
    Speaking of helping others, we are proud of our own Suzy Sarbacher Pence (BCC Class of '64) & hubby, Robert Pence, who have served our country for 2 & a half years as stellar Ambassadors to Finland. In the category of 'nice stories the left never sees', below is first a back story about a recent project taken on to help Native American tribes secure treasured artifacts wrongly taken from them many years ago & then a short follow-up recap of a celebratory event in the Oval Office. The photo features on the left a beaming Ambassador in his red tie, next to Suzy, the beautiful redhead. Smiles abound, but none broader than the President's! Kudos to all for a job well done! 









 


09/25/20 08:57 AM #13301    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Today in the WAshington Post, I read the article by Eugene Robinson about the tragedy and travesty surrounding the death of Breonna Taylor. Love, Joanie

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/our-justice-system-values-wallboards-over-black-lives/2020/09/24/d8ff20d6-fe95-11ea-b555-4d71a9254f4b_story.html


09/25/20 11:28 AM #13302    

 

Jay Shackford

Keep your eye on the ball

While the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg certainly throws a wildcard into the upcoming Nov. 3 election, we need to keep our eye on the ball: the election is a referendum on Donald Trump, and how he’s mismanaged the Coronavirus pandemic and the economic fallout from it.  

Consider the death toll.  To date, more than 203,000 Americans have died from Covid-19 and nearly 7 million have been infected.  As I’ve noted before, the U.S. accounts for about 4 percent of the world’s population but more than 20 percent of the deaths and Covid-19 cases. 

By the next presidential inauguration, the death toll is likely to double to more than 400,000.  That will be Trump’s ever-lasting legacy.  It will be his Vietnam times four – no, make that times 10.  

Like Vietnam, the Coronavirus has touched virtually every family in America in some way – through illness or death of someone in their extended family or a close circle of friends, loss of jobs, business failures, difficulties balancing work with the problems of wrestling with the challenges of remote learning for their kids, loss of income and/or careers and a general decline in the health and mental well-being of the American people from coast-to-coast.   Nobody is immune to this deadly virus.  Decades from now,  the Trump cult will be known as the “party of viral death.” 

Looking at the economic destruction, the U.S. is becoming a wasteland of lost jobs and dreams,  shuttered businesses, and a cascading fear that the uniquely American idea that the quality of life will improve with each succeeding generation seems to be fading away. Nearly 30 million Americans are still collecting unemployment insurance, with another 830,000 filing new claims this week.  Of the 22 million who lost their jobs in March and April, less than half have been rehired and an estimated 20 or 30 percent of those 22 million job losses are now permanent.  Tens of thousands of small businesses have been shuttered for good.  With the loss of federal support, we can expect tens of thousands of evictions, throwing families on the streets at the worst possible time – the beginning of the winter months and in the middle of an expected second deadly wave of the virus.  If Trump loses the election, he will be the first president ever to leave office with fewer jobs than when he began his presidency in January 2017. 

Earlier this week, at his super-spreader event at the Pittsburgh airport (no masks and no blacks in the audience of 4,000),  Trump again downplayed the fatalities, saying that it’s been limited mainly to older Americans with preexisting conditions.  In other words, these guys were going to die anyway, so why worry about it. That’s just another lie.  According to CDC, 20% of the cases between May and August were among people ages 20 to 30. 

Had the President reacted immediately in late January when he was warned by his top advisors about the approaching pandemic, he could have taken decisive steps -- activating the Defense Production Act to provide the necessary PPE and other medical supplies needed to fight the virus,  adopting a national testing strategy, encouraging governors and mayors to shut down hot spots and listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci and other public health experts on ways to contain the virus,  warning people of the dangers of the virus and urging them to wear masks, social distance and take other steps that would have saved tens of thousands of lives,  and providing ongoing relief for millions of Americans thrown out of work.   As we have learned from the Woodward tapes, the President was well  aware in early February that we were confronting a  deadly, airborne and very contagious virus that could kill hundreds of thousands of Americans.  

But he didn’t listen to those warnings. In his twisted mind, focusing on that (the truth) would have hurt his reelection chances. Instead, he downplayed the dangers of the virus, saying on numerous occasions that it was nothing to worry about and that it would just disappear.  

Honestly, Trump is a very sick and dangerous man.  He’s a pathological liar, he’s a narcissist, he’s a racist and a bigot. As the “chosen child” singled out by daddy Fred to lead the Trump organization into the 21st century, Trump never had to play by the norms and rules of society.  He set his own rules: he lied, bullied, cheated and conned his way through life, even paying someone to take his SAT test so he could  get into Penn after two years at Fordham where his older sister, Maryanne, wrote his papers. He was a self-proclaimed, self-made man inheriting in today’s dollars $413 million, most of which was funneled through dummy corporations to avoid stiff inheritance taxes.  He has no principles or morals and his only political philosophy driving his political agenda is, “What’s good for Donald Trump is good for the country.”  

How about his stand on abortion?  Well, before his candidacy in 2015, he was pro-choice and contributed to Planned Parenthood.  In fact, there’s even talk behind the scenes that Trump paid for at least two abortions during his stud days in the 1970s and 1980s when he openly bragging about his sexual conquests in the Manhattan nightclub scene on the shock-jock Howard Stern show. (And, as Stormy told us years later, he like to have sex without protection because condoms reduced the pleasure of sex.) But when it came to building his base for his 2016 campaign, it only made sense to switch to a pro-life position to gain the Christian evangelical vote. So that’s what he did.  

Losing badly at the polls and in the wake of his “loser and sucker” comments about those serving in the military revealed to us in the Bob Woodward tapes, Trump is now attacking American democracy at its core in a desperate attempt to cheat his way to victory in the upcoming election.   As John Cassidy wrote in his closing paragraph of his Sept. 23 column in The New Yorker:  

“In any case, the inner workings  of Trump’s mind aren’t of much consequence.  As the President, what matters are his words and actions. Right now, he is launching a dangerous attack on U.S. democracy.  Even as he seeks to undermine the voting process and stack the Supreme Court before Election Day, he is stepping up voter-suppression efforts aimed at minority groups that tend to vote Democratic.  And despite a couple of objections from individual Republican senators, his party, the Party of Lincoln, is overwhelmingly behind him. At the White House press conference on Wednesday evening, a reporter asked Trump if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election.  “We’re gonna have to see what happens,” he replied.  This is how democracies decay and die.” 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


09/25/20 11:45 AM #13303    

 

Jay Shackford

How RBG’s death could trigger a devastating blow to the U.S. health-care system

Opinion by 

Catherine Rampell

Columnist/Washington Post

September 24, 2020 at 6:16 p.m. EDT

 

Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s death last week was undoubtedly a loss for those who loved and admired her. It also may have dealt a devastating blow to the entire U.S. health-care system and nearly every American who interacts with it — young and old, Republican and Democrat, healthy and sick alike.

The week after Election Day, the Supreme Court is scheduled to hear arguments in a case seeking to strike down the Affordable Care Act. The case, filed by 20 red states and supported by the Trump administration, rests on a convoluted legal argument: When Congress reduced the penalty for not having health insurance to zero dollars, the individual mandate ceased to be an exercise of Congress’s taxing power and became unconstitutional.

Congress also designed everything in the law to be inextricably linked, the plaintiffs argue, so if the individual mandate is gone, the rest of the law should fall, too.

Of course, just as it acted to zero out the mandate, Congress had the opportunity to destroy the rest of the law. Instead, lawmakers voted, many times, not to do so. For this and other reasons, even conservative legal scholars who oppose Obamacare have dismissed the case as baloney.

But lower courts agreed with the plaintiffs, and the question has reached the Supreme Court. A range of outcomes is possible, depending on whether President Trump gets another court pick confirmed in time, and whether justices vote as they have in prior challenges to the law.

Obamacare’s destruction, in whole or in part, could wreak havoc and financial ruin.

If the ACA were struck down, its protections for people with preexisting conditions would disappear. Insurers wouldn’t have to sell plans to everyone, at nondiscriminatory rates; they could exclude coverage for illnesses they determined to be preexisting; and they could reimpose caps on how much they paid out for essential benefits. (That is, insurers could revert to their pre-Obamacare practices.)

In a 2019 analysis, the Kaiser Family Foundation estimated that 54 million non-elderly adults had preexisting conditions serious enough that they would likely be outright declined health insurance, absent these protections. It’s possible the number has risen. Nearly 7 million Americans have tested positive for the novel coronavirus, whose long-term health consequences are still unknown.

Millions more would find insurance unaffordable, even if they still qualified for it. As of February, 9.2 million marketplace enrollees received tax credits to help them buy insurance, and 5.3 million received cost-sharing reductions. Both subsidies exist through Obamacare.

Medicaid coverage would shrivel, too.

As of mid-2019, 12 million low-income people had coverage because Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion made them newly eligible. This number, too, has likely risen, given the millions of Americans who lost employer-sponsored insurance in the recession.

These are some of the best-known changes under Obamacare, but many more of the law’s protections are on the chopping block: minimum essential coverage for benefits such as prescriptions and substance abuse treatment. The ability for children to stay on their parents’ plans through age 26. Required coverage of preventive care with no cost-sharing in private insurance, the Medicaid expansion and Medicare.

Yes, even Medicare enrollees would be affected through many other at-risk ACA provisions, including one that gradually closes the “doughnut hole” for prescription drugs.

In other words, the death of a single jurist may result in tens of millions of Americans losing their health insurance and 18 percent of the U.S. economy getting thrown into chaos, all in the middle of public health and economic crises. This despite the law’s net-positive favorability numbers, after surviving a decade’s worth of congressional and legal challenges.

This is not exactly the sign of a robust democracy, as Georgetown professor Donald P. Moynihan has pointed out.

Now, optimists may argue there are off-ramps from this dire scenario.

Republicans claim to have a plan to protect people with preexisting conditions. In fact, Republicans don’t have any health-care plan, period.

States could try to reconstruct some of Obamacare’s provisions. But they lack money to fund their own Medicaid expansions. And absent billions of federal dollars of subsidies to help healthy people buy insurance, only the sick will do so and markets will death-spiral.

Of course, Congress could pass narrow legislation formally killing the individual mandate or raising its penalty to, say, $1. This would moot the lawsuit. But having spent the past decade attacking it, the GOP doesn’t want to be seen as saving Obamacare. And even if Democrats achieve unified control of government next year, a targeted legislative effort to fix Obamacare could well expand (or devolve) into a much broader logjam over the future of the health-care system.

Health coverage has already declined in recent years, thanks to backdoor sabotage of an imperfect but critical law. Front-door sabotage may be imminent, and America isn’t prepared.

 

 


09/25/20 02:23 PM #13304    

 

Jack Mallory

I think it's a mark of privilege and entitlement when the privileged and entitled tell us what the less privileged and entitled have or don't have. I personally wouldn't use cell phone or TV possession as meaningful markers of being surrounded by prosperity, but access to food seems important. Or the lack thereof--hunger. There are LOTS of data very quickly available on hunger in America--whether the poor have food, as Nora tells us they do. 

Prior to Covid 19, 35 million Americans, including 10 million children, had limited or infrequent access to sufficient food. Estimates for this year, since the pandemic began, suggest that 54 million people may be in that situation now, including 18 million children. https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/facts

Ag Dept figures on food insecurity in the US for last year were just released this month. Nearly 4% of US households said they sometimes or often didn't have enough food to eat in 2019. Recent census data from a month ago showed that 10% of households hadn't had enough to eat in the week before they were queried. 

In Black and Latino homes, levels of food insecurity are at 19 and 17%, compared to 7% in white households.

https://theintercept.com/2020/09/23/hunger-food-insecurity-coronavirus-children-census/

I've never lived the life of the food insecure or otherwise impoverished. I and my family have been very fortunate in the race and socio-economic class we were born into. Rather than make asssumptions about the lives of the less prosperous, I choose to either try and get some facts, or simply STFU. 

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Hard not to recognize privilege under these circumstances:


09/25/20 02:44 PM #13305    

 

Helen Lambie (Goldstein)

When trying to access an Apple News/Vanity Fair article on Trump becoming a dictator (which I was unable to do as I don't subscribe to either) I came across this excellent and, I find, very scary article. I have posted it here in it's entirety, so apologize for the space it takes up. 

From foreign policy.com, which mediabiasfactcheck.com rates “Least Biased due to balanced reporting with a very slight lean right and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.”

 

VOICE

10 Ways Trump Is Becoming a Dictator, Election Edition

The closer the president gets to election day, the bigger the threat he poses to U.S. democracy.

BY STEPHEN M. WALT | SEPTEMBER 8, 2020, 5:34 PM

 

Even before U.S. President Donald Trump took the oath of office in 2017, serious observers were worried about the fragility of the United States’ democratic order and Trump’s all-too-obvious dictatorial proclivities.

It was partly his evident narcissism and contempt for the truth, but also his willingness to run roughshod over long-standing norms, his long record of fraud and shady business dealings, and his evident admiration for dictators in other countries. Trump’s arrival helped make books such as How Democracies Die and On Tyranny bestsellers, while journalists and political scientists (including yours truly) began compiling lists of “warning signs” of creeping authoritarianism.

Looking back, I was too optimistic. I was pretty sure Trump would be terrible at managing both domestic and foreign policy—and on that score I was correct—but I believed his age, short attention span, lack of knowledge, and other liabilities would limit his ability to consolidate power. Unlike some optimists, I didn’t expect him to grow into the responsibilities of the office, but I believed the system of checks and balances built into our constitutional order would rein him in sufficiently to protect the core features of U.S. democracy. How wrong I was.

I knew that would-be authoritarians rarely have a change of heart and become committed to personal accountability, the rule of law, or fair-minded elections. What I failed to anticipate was that Trump’s authoritarian ambitions would get worse the longer he sat in the Oval Office, and that his ability to pursue them would increase once he had the chance to replace anyone with integrity and a genuine commitment to their oath to defend the Constitution with lackeys, opportunists, and power-hungry ideologues.

As I’ve noted before, Trump now has every incentive to do whatever he can to remain in power, if only to keep himself and his family out of jail and to avoid losing the ill-gotten gains of a lifetime of legally questionable business deals, not to mention the millions of dollars’ worth of self-dealing he’s indulged in as president. I’ve updated my original top 10 warning signs on two previous occasions—but with the election roughly two months away, it seemed an appropriate moment to do one more assessment.

Spoiler alert: If you cherish the core values of the U.S. Constitution (however imperfectly we have achieved them), and you want to live in a country where the rule of law still applies and the voice of the people can still be heard clearly, you have ample reason to be worried. Very worried.

Here’s the list.

1. Systematic efforts to intimidate the media.

This tactic has been a central feature of Trump’s presidency from the beginning, whether in the form of his constant tweets about “fake news” and his none-too-veiled attempts to threaten the owners of media outlets he dislikes (such as CNN or the Washington Post). As he reportedly admitted to CBS reporter Lesley Stahl, Trump has attacked the press quite deliberately. “He said, ‘You know why I do it?’” she later told PBS. “‘I do it to discredit you all and demean you all, so when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you.’”

Such efforts continue to this day. In May, for example, Trump signed an executive order that could eventually allow the government to oversee political speech on the Internet, a move that came the same week Twitter had marked two of his erroneous tweets with a “fact-checking” label. But that’s not all.

The administration has also increased prosecutions involving journalists’ use of classified information, searched their electronic devices, and monitored reporters’ movements, and Trump’s reelection campaign has sued the New York Times, CNN, and other news organizations for libel.  Trump’s repeated descriptions of the press as “the Enemy of the People” may have inspired followers to threaten news organizations on their own, and encouraged the arrests and attacks on journalists covering recent demonstrations in several U.S. cities. As Chris Wallace of the normally pro-Trump network Fox News recently put it, “President Trump is engaged in the most direct sustained assault on freedom of the press in our history.”

2. Building an official pro-Trump media network.

Earlier reports that Trump (or one of his sons) was going to start his own media company proved unfounded. But as I noted in my earlier reassessments, the president hardly needs his own news company when he has Fox News almost entirely in his camp, when Fox anchor Sean Hannity is said to be a close personal advisor, and when the even more whackadoodle One America News Network is reliably in his corner. Trump can also count on radio host Rush Limbaugh (to whom he gave a Presidential Medal of Freedom last year) to echo whatever new falsehood the president chooses to tweet (such as telling his listeners the coronavirus was “the common cold, folks” and just a left-wing conspiracy to bring Trump down). Who needs Pravda when you’ve got Limbaugh?

3. Politicizing the civil service, military, National Guard, or the domestic security agencies.

The president may be commander in chief and head of the executive branch, but soldiers and civil servants swear an oath to the Constitution, not an individual. Ignoring that principle, Trump has tried to get government officials to express their “loyalty” to him personally, and led cabinet meetings where appointees sing his praises in cringeworthy fashion. He replaced Attorney General Jeff Sessions with William Barr after Sessions showed a certain degree of integrity, and Barr’s extreme commitment to the principle of executive authority and resulting willingness to protect the president and even to lie on his behalf make former Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy’s loyalty to his brother John and former Attorney General John F. Mitchell’s fealty to former President Richard Nixon seem rather quaint. In any case, it’s a pretty small step from believing in a president’s total authority over the executive branch to the view that he’s should be beyond the rule of law entirely. Which would be just fine with Trump.

And recently these efforts have taken an even more serious turn. Trump has been replacing experienced officials with unqualified loyalists—such as appointing former Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell as acting director of national intelligence—and pressuring the Navy to reverse a decision to reinstate the commander of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt. The use of tear gas and federal personnel to clear demonstrators from Lafayette Square in Washington so that Trump could stage a photo-op, and the presence of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley and Secretary of Defense Mark Esper in his entourage (a misjudgment for which Milley later apologized), is yet another case where Trump tried to turn nonpartisan institutions into part of his posse.

Finally, the recent campaign to curtail or remove independent inspectors general—at the departments of State, Defense, Health and Human Services, and Transportation, and in the intelligence services—smacks either of political payback (e.g., in the case of the inspector general who forwarded the whistleblower report alleging that Trump had attempted to get Ukraine to dig up dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden by withholding U.S. aid) or a desire to protect top officials from independent scrutiny. Either way, it’s another sign that Trump thinks government agencies are working for him, and not for the U.S. taxpayer.

4, Using government surveillance against domestic political opponents.

I don’t know if Trump is using the FBI, CIA, or other surveillance capabilities to spy on the Biden campaign or to monitor other political opponents. But we do know that the federal government has conducted surveillance of people protesting the administration’s immigration policies, and Trump has threatened to declare the loose and leaderless antifa movement a terrorist organization, which could allow domestic security agencies to conduct more far-reaching surveillance on anti-Trump protests. Trump and his allies are certainly not above using government institutions to advance the president’s personal political fortunes, and sometimes they’re not even coy about it. Thus, Republican Sen. Ron Johnson told a local radio station that his baseless Senate investigation into Hunter Biden’s activities in Ukraine would “help Donald Trump win reelection.”  

5. Using state power to reward corporate backers and punish opponents.

 At this point, it is hardly headline news to report that the Trump administration is deeply corrupt, and that Trump and his family have been using high office to enrich themselves in various ways.  At times these tangled relations are almost comical, as when the Trump Organization asked the Trump administration for a break on the lease payments it owes on the building containing the Trump International Hotel in Washington. Other examples are more serious, however: According to a recent Brookings Institution study, the administration’s response to the deadly coronavirus pandemic has been marred by inadequate oversight and clear signs of corruption. “There have been reports that 27 clients of Trump-connected lobbyists have received up to $10.5 billion of [government coronavirus-related] spending; that beneficiaries have also included multiple entities linked to the family of Jared Kushner and other Trump associates and political allies; that up to $273 million was awarded to more than 100 companies that are owned or operated by major donors to Trump’s election efforts; that unnecessary blanket ethics waivers have been applied to potential administration conflicts of interest; and that many other transactions meriting further investigation have occurred,” according to the study.

Meanwhile, organizations that Trump regards as unfriendly run the risk of being singled out for harsh treatment. Just last week, Barr decided to speed up an antitrust effort against Google, a move said to be “in keeping with [Barr’s] willingness to override the recommendations of career lawyers in cases that are of keen interest to President Trump, who has accused Google of bias against him.”

6. Stacking the Supreme Court.

 A president’s ability to stack the Supreme Court depends on whether openings occur and whether the Senate is compliant. Trump doesn’t have to worry about the Senate, which allowed him to appoint two new justices during his first term. He hasn’t gone any further, but only because he hasn’t had another opportunity since the controversial appointment of Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

In the meantime, Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell are doing a fine job of packing the lower courts, including some candidates with decidedly dodgy qualifications. And if you think this is just matter of abortion rights or gun control, think again. If the 2020 election is a nail-biter, lower-court decisions on potential electoral irregularities could matter a lot. Indeed, several recent decisions (in Wisconsin, Texas, Florida, and Alabama) have opened the door to precisely the type of voter suppression that would benefit Trump. As other democratically  elected autocrats know full well, checks and balances and the rule of law are no obstacle once the judiciary has been transformed from watchdog to lap dog.

7. Enforcing the law for only one side.

 One could devote a whole column to this warning sign alone. While railing against threats from immigrants, protesters, and the extremely dangerous, traitorous, menacing, yet sleepy Biden, Trump has largely turned a blind eye to far more serious criminals. Although right-wing terrorist groups and white supremacists are responsible for far more U.S. deaths than left-wing protesters or foreign terrorist groups, Trump has repeatedly signaled his sympathy for the former in various ways. Most recently, he has defended right-wing vigilante Kyle Rittenhouse, who allegedly shot two people to death during an altercation in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

At the same time, Trump is happy to give clemency to his own criminal associates, such as convicted felon Roger Stone, and Barr ordered the Justice Department to drop charges against former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn—who had already pleaded guilty to them—a highly unusual move that prompted 2,000 former Department of Justice employees to sign an open letter warning that Barr had once again “assaulted the rule of law.”

Make no mistake: There are two legal systems in Trump’s America. One is for the president and his cronies, and the other is for suckers like you. The same way it is in other autocracies.

8. Really rigging the system. 

When someone such as David Brooks of the New York Times writes a column telling you to prepare to participate in a massive campaign of civil disobedience following the November election, you know that we’re in serious trouble. And there’s nothing subtle about it: Trump has made it abundantly clear that he will do everything in his power to rig the election in his favor. He has no choice: Unemployment is high, evictions are increasing, deficits are soaring, the trade deficits he promised to fix are still there, and his administration’s bungled response to the pandemic that Trump kept denying will have killed roughly 200,000 Americans by Election Day, even as many other countries have managed to turn the corner and move back closer to normal life. Now there’s a record to run on!

Even with the built-in advantages of the Electoral College, Trump is facing a humiliating if much-deserved defeat. As he does on the golf course, therefore, Trump is all too willing to cheat. He has called for supporters to vote twice if they can. He has tried to defund or disrupt the U.S. Postal Service, making it less capable of handling a surge of mail-in ballots, while at the same time claiming falsely that mail-in voting (which he uses himself) is rife with fraud. He and his underlings have been reluctant to say publicly that he would leave office if defeated. Uh-oh.

9. Fearmongering.

 What to do you when you’re trailing in the polls, you have no idea how to get people back to work, and you can’t get the pandemic under control? Simple: Try to scare people about something else. Just as Trump ran for office in 2016 offering wild-eyed and irresponsible claims about Muslims, Mexican “rapists,” and other foreign dangers, this time around he’s working overtime to convince voters that the United States’ cities are in flames and that angry mobs of nonwhite people are heading for the suburbs to seize homes and destroy their entire way of life. When Trump’s inaugural address in January 2017 warned of “American carnage,” what we failed to realize that he was really telling us what he intended accomplish as president.

At the same time, he is trying to convince people that Biden is somehow both too tired to be president (he isn’t) and at the same time a dangerous amalgam of Malcolm X, the Red Army Faction, and the Zodiac Killer. It’s a transparent and desperate ploy—especially given that crime rates are still at historically low levels—but Trump’s lies have worked for him before.

To be clear: Violent protests are wrong, and the destruction of property should be condemned no matter who does it. Biden gets this, of course, and has condemned violent extremism of all kinds in no uncertain terms. Trump doesn’t mind when his supporters threaten or engage in violence, and he hardly ever condemns them openly. Instead, his only hope is to sow as much division and hatred as he can between now and Nov. 3, in the hope that that might lead enough frightened people to cast a vote on his behalf or maybe to take to the streets if he loses. And that’s what’s really frightening.

10. Demonizing the opposition. 

This warning sign is a classic authoritarian move, and it’s closely related to No. 9. As his attacks on the media illustrate, it’s been a key part of Trump’s playbook throughout his political career.  In Trump’s world, one cannot imagine legitimate differences between equally patriotic and responsible Americans, the sort of honest disagreements that democratic systems exist to accommodate and reconcile. You are either with him, or you are evil, insane, crazy, nasty, a traitor, et cetera. Of course, as many have noted, the most revealing windows into Trump’s own character are the accusations he routinely levels at others.

As his political fortunes sink, this tendency is getting worse too. Case in point: His demagogic speech at Mount Rushmore on Independence Day. Along with some standard Fourth of July boilerplate about the Founding Fathers and the War of Independence, Trump used the occasion to lambaste “angry mobs” defacing “sacred memorials,” accusing opponents of trying to “unleash a wave of violent crime,” representing “totalitarianism” and “far-left fascism that demands absolute allegiance.” His wild accusations had little or no basis in fact, and the speech made no attempt to bring the American people together in the face of the many challenges they are facing today. But when your best hope is to convince enough voters that that other side is even worse than you are (which would be saying something), then making up scary stories is what we have to expect.

This is where we are today. After more than three and a half years in office, Trump continues to exhibit all 10 of my warning signs of democratic collapse. On several of them he’s gotten worse over time. There’s no reason whatsoever to believe that reelection would suddenly instill in this congenitally dishonest and self-centered narcissist a new commitment to the core principles of U.S. democracy. On the contrary, it will only reinforce his belief that he can get away with just about anything. How about a third term, suckers? Maybe Ivanka Trump can run in 2028 and we’ll rig that for her too. Can you honestly think of any law or norm he wouldn’t break if he thought it would be to his benefit and that he wouldn’t get stopped? Which members of today’s Republican Party would suddenly grow some vertebrae and try to stop him?

I didn’t used to be an alarmist, but when a president and his administration break some laws with impunity, there is no reason to believe they won’t break bigger ones if they think they can get away with it. But heed well what this really means. At that point, every one of us—including those who might have voted for him—becomes vulnerable to whatever they want to do. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what is at stake come November.


09/25/20 04:00 PM #13306    

 

Jack Mallory

Jay's and Helen's excellent posts point to the different strategies Trump is using/will use to consolidate his power into a second term. Although "second term" usually denotes a second elected period of office holding, and I'm becoming less and less confident that more Trump years will be the result of a true election. It's not the liberal, MSM that convinces me of this, but Trump's own words and actions.

CRIME has become a leitmotif central to the Trump campaigns: from the murderers and rapists of 2016 to the anarchist church burners and other mother-rapers, father-stabbers, father-rapers and mother-stabbers of 2020. 

Crime rates had been going steadily down for decades until an increase in a few categories of crime, including murder, which began to rise under the Trump administration.

Much of what Trump has said about crime and its causes is, no surprise, not supported or is actually contradicted by the facts.This article in Vox pulls together the facts with 11 graphs, and analyzes them. Before accepting anything anyone says about the incidence of crime and causation, take a look at this.

 

https://www.vox.com/21454844/murder-crime-us-cities-protests

Here's just one example of the 11 charts in the article:

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Giving away a bird phography secret, for FREE! Before an osprey, an eagle, or other birds take off, they signal the photographer like this:

Not a contrail. 


09/25/20 07:29 PM #13307    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

     In February, predictions that a million or more American lives could (would?) be lost with COVID-19. If Trump is to be blamed for all 200,000 plus American deaths so far, should he not be credited with saving at least 800,000 or so American lives by shutting down the country, banning travel from China, & orchestrating all that went towards better health care & conditions for those victimized by the disease? 
      Like you, Jack, my family & I have been fortunate to live in this great land of opportunity where our educational, career, medical, transportation/travel, monetary, environmental, nutritional & individual needs have been met. How many Americans can say that? I venture to say 'many'! Of all colors! Creeds! Ancestries!  Coming from all over the world, clamoring to get in, to work, to live, to thrive, to prosper! THAT is why it is ridiculous for AOC to actually maintain that a whole generation of Americans have not seen prosperity. If what we, our kids, grandkids & so many like us have experienced isn't prosperity, what is it? 
     It strikes me as odd that this forum does not recognize or enjoy discussing accomplishments by our classmates. My previous mentions of Steve Cutler's book & movie, "Rally Caps" & recently Suzy Sarbacher Pence's Native American Repatriotism story are certainly worthy of as much attention as my son's & Joanie's paintings, Jack's photography, Glen's culinary prowess & others.  Are politics so polarizing that we can't or won't cheer & support one another's good news? 


 


09/25/20 08:44 PM #13308    

 

Jay Shackford

Screwed up numbers

I don’t think so Nori.  As always, your numbers are all screwed up. According to a Columbia University study released on May 21 at a time when we had 93,000 Covid-19 deaths in the U.S.,  we could have saved 54,000 Americans if the president had issued restrictions just two weeks earlier on March 1.  

On your wonderful life living in this great land of opportunity, let me ask you this: have you ever had to work to support your own family (pay the rent, put food on the table) or did you just have the good fortune to marry into a wealthy family?  Living a life of privilege and comfort, I think you’ve forgotten what it is like to struggle to make rent every month along with all your other bills.  Empathy – that’s what seems to be missing here.  

And what’s this nagging problem all you right-wingers have with AOC.  Perhaps, and I don’t want to be cruel here, AOC is just better looking, smarter and more articulate and can run you off the dance floor with her James Brown moves.  

Bests everyone. 

 


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