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11/26/20 09:20 AM #14085    

 

Jack Mallory

A truly thankful Thankful Story for Thanksgiving, from one of our local cemeteries.


Jennifer, from her medical perspective, suggested that Thanksgiving "was the happy result of her mother’s unusually long and arduous labor, or the first live born child after miscarriages, or the first child born after a famine. We can make up a good story (pun intended.)"


11/26/20 03:23 PM #14086    

Clifford Elgin

Logged on to wish everyone a fun and safe (particularly important in 2020) Thanksgiving Holiday.  In my insurance adn risk managment career holidays were always joyous mixed with a little trepidation because the first day after a holiday usually meant a claim report from a cllient.

Glad to see Marshall in the group and appreciate the humor.  

The reason Trump keeps the stolen election charade going is money.  He keeps asking for donations to support his legal team but, if you read the fine print, the majority of those donations are going to his newly created PAC, not the legal team.  The late news today is that he removed a number of highly respected peoople from our National Defense Advisory Board according to his appointed "temporay" defense secretary.

I do want to say three things that, in my opinion Trump excells at:  he is a consumate bully, probably the world's most prolifice liar, and undoubedly the world's greatest con man.

Be safe out there,

Kip

 


11/26/20 04:01 PM #14087    

 

Jack Mallory

Nice expressions of gratitude for medical and other front-line workers from Robert and the Bidens. I hope they realize how truly valued they are, regardless of the shameful lies directed at them by the man who should be leading the national appreciation. They put their physical and mental health on the line, even their lives, and POTUS charges them with corruption. Disgusting. Even more disgusting, people continue to support him!

Kip seems to understand those things that Trump is best at!

Glad to be sharing my gratitude that he's about to be gone with so many of you, and my friends and family that are here today or with us from a distance. Just sitting down!


11/26/20 05:32 PM #14088    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Thanks again to the wonderful posts including, Kip's accurate summation of Trump. What a contrast to Biden, a real caring President who loves America. Love joanie

11/26/20 08:40 PM #14089    

 

Jack Mallory

After a great turkey dinner, apple pie a la mode, and a Hearts game, still looking for things to be thankful for!

 


11/27/20 04:18 PM #14090    

 

Jack Mallory

If you were looking for a lawyer, maybe Giuliani wouldn't be your boy. If you were looking for a client, maybe Trump wouldn't be a good choice either.

“Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy,” Judge Stephanos Bibas, a Trump appointee, wrote on behalf of the appeals court. “Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.” 
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/27/us/joe-biden-trump/a-federal-appeals-court-denies-the-trump-campaigns-challenge-to-a-lower-court-loss-on-certifying-pennsylvanias-vote?referringSource=articleShare

A sense of shame, or competence, seems hard to find among Trump and his legal team.


11/27/20 09:45 PM #14091    

Clifford Elgin

The three things that I wrote Trump is very good at in my earlier post were the conclusion of an email I sent to many of my friends back on 10/24 when I was fed up with all of the lies ---- here is the first part of that email:  I did a lot of research including Fox News before I typed my email.  So, here it is:  

Trump the businessman:  It started with a lie.  Trump said his father gave him a "small loan" of $1,000,000.  Aside from the fact that I don;t believe most of us think $1,000,000 is a small amount, the actual amount was more than $60,000,000.  So, here is the Trump approach:  Convince a lot ot people that his is a great businessman and to invest in his project.  Next, put all o fthe debt into a new corporation and have that corporation pay him a lucrative salary, bonuses, and other perks.  Then, when the project fails and declares bankruptcy, the investors lose their money, in some cases their life savings, and Trump moves on to the next venture.  How many times has he done this?  Trump Taj Mahal, Trump Hotel and Casino, Trump Plaza Casino, Trump Plaza Hotel, Trump Hotel and Casin Resorts, Trump Entertainment Resorts, Trump Airlines, Trump Vodka, Trump Magazine, Trump steaks, Trump Mortgage, Trump the Game, Go Trump Luxury Travel, Trump University  -- quite a list.  In addition, while he was campaigning in 2016 Trump Toronto was going bankrupt and, just recently, Trump Vancouver filed for bankruptcy.  I know sometimes businesses fail but this list is simply incredible.  Thr Trump University is especially interesting in that a court ruled that the school had essentially "duped" (court word, not mine) the students amd the school was oredered to repay $25,000,000 to the students.  In his projects in Florida, Trump either didn't pay or short paid hundreds of small businesses including contractors and his own realtors and lawyers.  The Florida court ruled that he had to pay millions to hundreds of those businesses.  And, as we now know, he has hundreds of millions in outstanding debt to God knows who and, at least one bank is being investigated in this regard.  In my opinion, this is not a successful businessman.

Switching to the Trump Foundation:  In aniother couirt case it admitted misconduct and was ordered to pay $2,000,000 in fines.

Let's look athe border wall:  The border is 1,954 miles long --- keep that number in mind.  The original estimate of trhe cost of construction was $26,100,000,000.  It is now estimated to be somewhere between 40 and 70 billion.  On top of that, the annual cost of maintenance is between $160,000,000 and $500,000,000.  Trump has repeatedly said that Mexico will pay for it.  However, the President of Mexico has "Nope" and how Trump would get a soverign nation to do so is a mystery.  Who does he want to build the wall?  A company named Fisher Sand & Gravel that has less than great track record and was not the choice of the Army Corp of Engineers.  But it is a big Trump supporter.  Fisher ahs already completed 4 miesl of the wall which is already failing --- cracks in the wall, an 8 foot hole underneath and sand eroding.  The other question is will it work?  My guess is it won't.  Trump said even the Vatican has walls.  Thsoe walls were built hundreds of years ago so I doubt it is a relevant comparison.  The closest wall we can compare it to was the Berlin Wall,  It was just under 100 miles long, 12 feet high, topped with barbed wire, and with guard towers very 300 yards.  It is estimated that between 180 and 220 people were killed trying to excape.  In spite of that hundreds of people did escape.  Since the fall of the Berlin Wall, as we all know from drug and people smugglers on our border, there is a lot more advanced technology being used by smugglers.  The ball is basically a way to appease his supporters and,more importantly, a way to reward his Trump financial supporters.

Let's turnn to the present:  Trump promised to save the coal industry -- coal consumption is down worldwide and jobs have declined by 10 to 12 percent.  Evven some coal companies are turing to solar and wind energy.  It was jsut announced that our foeign trade deficit is the third largest in history and our national debt has increasesd by 5.2 trillion since 2016.  

Then there is the CARES Act:  It is estimated that middle class Americans will save $25,000 over a teh year period at which time the tax relief will expire for most of us.  In the meantime, the upper .01% of teh wealthy will pay a lower tax rate than the middle class citizens and there is no expiration date for their tax break.  That is estimated to cost  the Federal government ove $125,000,000,000!

Trump and confederates warn us of socialized medicine including higher premiums and higher taxes.  We are the only developed nation in the world without a national health plan.  Look at the Canadian plan:  Higher premiums?  Nope -- no individual pays a premiuim.  Higher taxes?  Nope -- business pay the premiums AND every citizen is covered regardless of pre-exsiting conditions.  Also, no deuctibles nor copays.  Significantly lower drug costs because the government negotiates with the pharmaceutical manufacturers (something Mitch McConnell blocks in the US).

Post Office controversity--- couild be because the Trump appointed Post Master General has a $30,000,000 investiment in a business rivil of the Post Office.  Oh, and he is a Trump financial supporter.

Over 500 immigrant children have been in ICE "camps" for several years and haven't been reunited with their parents.  Trump wants the Pentagon to fast track a no-bid contract worth billions of dollars to Rivida, a company owned by, you guessed it, Trump financial supporters.

Do you wonder why so many people who used to work for Trump in and out of government --- many of whom Trump proclaimed to be the greatest -- have left or have been fired?  Why members of his own family warn us as do many  retired military leaders?

Then I transitioned to the three things I wrote about earleir.

 

 

 

 

 


11/27/20 11:05 PM #14092    

 

Robert Hall

Great post Kip. I've got a cousin-in-law that I'll be sharing that with if you don't mind. He's been immune to my reasoning and his family's so far.

11/28/20 07:03 AM #14093    

 

Jack Mallory

Nice summary, Kip. But keep in mind that the amount that Trump started with was WAY north of 60 million in today's $s!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

I know John thinks we all started out with that kind of money, and I know my dad intended to hand me 61 mil but it just slipped his mind. If he had, though, and I had only invested it without using any of it to defraud anyone, hadn't ever had to declare bankruptcy, paid all my taxes and all my debts, I'd still be richer 'n Croesus today!

Anybody who starts out with that kind of money can be a financial genius!

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Got a call from a contact tracer at the VA yesterday, was told I had been potentially exposed by a co-worker on Monday. Someone who had been in the volunteer office with me for twenty minutes or so--then left complaining of symptoms, later popped positive. Both masked, door and window open, six feet apart, NBD I'm sure.

Probably too soon to have become communicable myself by Thursday, but will inform Deb's kids. Deb and I just assume that working at the medical center increases our chances of infection, and if one of us contracts it the other probably will also. Damned if we'll social distance from each other!
 


11/28/20 12:47 PM #14094    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack, I hope you will be ok...good chance you won't have gotten it....Love, Joanie


11/28/20 01:11 PM #14095    

 

Jack Mallory

I doubt that it's much more risky than just walking around in the Med center. Nor exactly front line work, but a little ways behind the front line isn't a bad place to be--learned that 50 years ago!

It does make me pissy about the COVIDiots who get their undies in a twist about wearing masks, or changing their holiday plans, though. 

Speaking of COVIDiocy, this is an excellent column by the NYT conservative columnists David Brooks about where we are and how we got here.

"In a recent Monmouth University survey, 77 percent of Trump backers said Joe Biden had won the presidential election because of fraud. Many of these same people think climate change is not real. Many of these same people believe they don’t need to listen to scientific experts on how to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

"We live in a country in epistemological crisis, in which much of the Republican Party has become detached from reality. Moreover, this is not just an American problem. All around the world, rising right-wing populist parties are floating on oceans of misinformation and falsehood. What is going on?

"Many people point to the internet — the way it funnels people into information silos, the way it abets the spread of misinformation. I mostly reject this view. Why would the internet have corrupted Republicans so much more than Democrats, the global right more than the global left?

"My analysis begins with a remarkable essay that Jonathan Rauch wrote for National Affairs in 2018 called “The Constitution of Knowledge.” Rauch pointed out that every society has an epistemic regime, a marketplace of ideas where people collectively hammer out what’s real. In democratic, nontheocratic societies, this regime is a decentralized ecosystem of academics, clergy members, teachers, journalists and others who disagree about a lot but agree on a shared system of rules for weighing evidence and building knowledge.

"This ecosystem, Rauch wrote, operates as a funnel. It allows a wide volume of ideas to get floated, but only a narrow group of ideas survive collective scrutiny. “We let alt-truth talk,” Rauch said, “but we don’t let it write textbooks, receive tenure, bypass peer review, set the research agenda, dominate the front pages, give expert testimony or dictate the flow of public dollars.”

"Over the past decades the information age has created a lot more people who make their living working with ideas, who are professional members of this epistemic process. The information economy has increasingly rewarded them with money and status. It has increasingly concentrated them in ever more prosperous metro areas.

"While these cities have been prospering, places where fewer people have college degrees have been spiraling down: flatter incomes, decimated families, dissolved communities. In 1972, people without college degrees were nearly as happy as those with college degrees. Now those without a degree are far more unhappy about their lives.

"People need a secure order to feel safe. Deprived of that, people legitimately feel cynicism and distrust, alienation and anomie. This precarity has created, in nation after nation, intense populist backlashes against the highly educated folks who have migrated to the cities and accrued significant economic, cultural and political power. Will Wilkinson of the Niskanen Center calls this the “Density Divide.” It is a bitter cultural and political cold war.

"In the fervor of this enmity, millions of people have come to detest those who populate the epistemic regime, who are so distant, who appear to have it so easy, who have such different values, who can be so condescending. Millions not only distrust everything the “fake news” people say, but also the so-called rules they use to say them.

"People in this precarious state are going to demand stories that will both explain their distrust back to them and also enclose them within a safe community of believers. The evangelists of distrust, from Donald Trump to Alex Jones to the followers of QAnon, rose up to give them those stories and provide that community. Paradoxically, conspiracy theories have become the most effective community bonding mechanisms of the 21st century.

"For those awash in anxiety and alienation, who feel that everything is spinning out of control, conspiracy theories are extremely effective emotional tools. For those in low status groups, they provide a sense of superiority: I possess important information most people do not have. For those who feel powerless, they provide agency: I have the power to reject “experts” and expose hidden cabals. As Cass Sunstein of Harvard Law School points out, they provide liberation: If I imagine my foes are completely malevolent, then I can use any tactic I want.

"Under Trump, the Republican identity is defined not by a set of policy beliefs but by a paranoid mind-set. He and his media allies simply ignore the rules of the epistemic regime and have set up a rival trolling regime. The internet is an ideal medium for untested information to get around traditional gatekeepers, but it is an accelerant of the paranoia, not its source. Distrust and precarity, caused by economic, cultural and spiritual threat, are the source.

"What to do? You can’t argue people out of paranoia. If you try to point out factual errors, you only entrench false belief. The only solution is to reduce the distrust and anxiety that is the seedbed of this thinking. That can only be done first by contact, reducing the social chasm between the members of the epistemic regime and those who feel so alienated from it. And second, it can be done by policy, by making life more secure for those without a college degree.

"Rebuilding trust is, obviously, the work of a generation." 
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/26/opinion/republican-disinformation.html?referringSource=articleShare

 


11/29/20 01:03 PM #14096    

 

Jack Mallory

More Republicans to be thankful for:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/28/us/politics/trump-republicans-election-results.html?referringSource=articleShare

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Gorgeous late November day.

 


 

Another one that's been to cute school. 
 


 


11/29/20 09:37 PM #14097    

 

Helen Lambie (Goldstein)

I've hopefully corrected the error in the url I first posted

 

In keeping with the nature theme, I suggest this fabulous article about hummingbirds.

https://tinyurl.com/y43b5ppf

What I found most fascinating was this fact: “As light glimpses the necks of Ruby-throats, Sapphire-bellieds, and Honduran Emeralds, brilliant color shimmers off a distinctive patch of ruffled feathers known as a “gorget” (pronounced gor-jet).

These dazzling ornaments are found on males, and some females, in many of the more than 300 hummingbird species. And what makes them so remarkable, scientists say, is that they are not actually colored at all.” Check it out!

 

 


11/30/20 08:26 PM #14098    

Clifford Elgin

Robert (and others) you may share my thoughts but, before you do, here is part three:  As a former history teacher and life long history student, the last four years have both been interesting and scary; 

A candidate who has a long shot of winning, wins.  His campaign is centered on appeal to the less educated,down trodden, and fearful.  Campaign on making the home country great again.  The campaign is enabled by organized gangs who intimidate often through physical abuse including beatings and other violence, even death.  Once elected the pattern is familiar:  Control the media and, if yo can't, criticize and harras calling it fake news and create yoru own news.  Lie and lie and lie again under the theory that if you lie long enough and lound enough people will believe you.  Find a basically defenseiess minor and denigrate them, arrest and detain them, separate families, keep them in special camps.  (Trump started with Muslims but changed when they were too strong)  Accuse the minority of horrible crimes and seeking special privelges.   Did anyone beside me find it ironic that on one day Trump in Texas states that immigrants are coming here to get on our welfares system and the very next day ICE arrests 500 people in three manufacturering plants in Mississippi putting hundreds of working, tax paying people out of work and putting hundreds of families on welfare?  Of course, you want to appoint judges who will rubber stamp your program and have a legislature who will also support all that you do.  Of course, you must have a national "police" that will ignore the laws of your country will arresting and incarcerating your citizens.  Of course, we have seen this pattern before.

So, now we have come to the end of the four years, and the parallel continues:  proclaiming imaginary scenerios, claiming fictious victories, lashing out at friend and foe alike, punishing those he deems disloyal, refusing to accept the obvious.  pushing fo rthe destruction of the country he professed to love.  

Of course, we have seen this before --- but, unlike the end of the Third Reich, the lead is not dead and the country is not in physical ruin and that is what is really, really scary.  


11/30/20 09:34 PM #14099    

 

Jack Mallory

Big difference, Kip, is that in 1945 the Russians drove a cornered Hitler to suicide. For the last five or six years we've seen the Russians do their best to keep Trump in power. Let history record that Trump couldn't get a majority of Americans to vote for him even with Putin's help!

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Political cartoonist as fortune teller. From June 1, this year. 
 


 

And the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington forecasts that Trump will leave us this legacy on Inauguration Day. Almost 100,000 more deaths than our WWII combat casualties over four years of war. Trump, one helluva "wartime President." 

"It's going to go away . . .It will just disappear . . . The numbers are very minuscule . . . It's just dying out . . . " https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/


 


12/01/20 06:45 AM #14100    

 

Jack Mallory

If you're looking for evidence of the sheer, unevidenced lunacy the soon-to-be-ex continues to spread, this is a Sunday Fox News interview transcript.


 

 . . . they moved thousands of votes from my account to Biden's account . . .

 . . . dead people were, in some cases, in many, many cases thousands of cases, voted . . . 

 This election was rigged. This election was a total fraud . . . 

They cheated. Joe Biden did not get 80 million votes . . .

https://factba.se/transcript/donald-trump-interview-fox-news-sunday-morning-futures-maria-bartiromo-november-29-2020
 

And on, and on. The similarities Kip notes between Germany in the 30s and today are real. Donald J. Trump is the greatest threat to our democracy since WWII. Greater even than Nixon, because so many more Americans fail to see threat today. And though he will not be 46, he will be dangerous until he is completely gone from our political landscape. 

 


12/01/20 10:23 AM #14101    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

I think my husband's prediction is beginning to come true. DT has begun fundraising full force. The more he pleads "I was robbed!" the more his base sends him money. So far he's amassed $150,000,000. This is money he can use any way he wants for anything he wants. Personal expenses? Sure! Travel to rallies? Sure! Begin his 2024 campaign? Sure! They were told it was to be used as a legal defense fund but it will at least initially go to pay down his campaign debts. Then the PAC turns into a fund for any political uses he sees fit. I feel really sorry for the small donors who may not be able to afford to finance a "billionaire's" whims. 

The fraud charges in Georgia seem to be causing some indigestion for the Republican candidates, Perdue and Loeffler who tell us the election was a fraud! The Secretary of State should be fired! Oh and meanwhile be sure to turn up and vote for us in the next fraudulent election on January 6th! How is that going to work?

In the latest voter fraud case in Pennsylvania, Trump-appointed judge, Stephanos Bibas says, “Calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here. Voters, not lawyers, choose the President. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections.” 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/27/appeals-court-trump-campaign-pennsylvania-440813

 

"Either the president is delusional, or he is willing to knowingly tear down the democracy to deny that he is a loser." 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-republican-dodge-on-trumps-lies-has-run-its-course/2020/11/30/0a0030c4-3354-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_todays_headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_headlines

 

Fun fact - in Michigan the hand recount ordered and paid for by DT ($3 million) resulted in an extra 87 votes for Biden! I bet DT was grumpy about that. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/wisconsin-recount-over/2020/11/29/b4896ade-30c9-11eb-96c2-aac3f162215d_story.html

 

 Remember how a couple months ago DT was yelling "COVID COVID COVID that's all they talk about! As soon as the election is over they'll stop talking about it."  And remember when he said, "If Biden wins just watch your 401K tank!" Hmmmm big surge in the stock market after Biden won and nonstop talk of covid in the news. Not much of a fortune teller. 

 

It's really uplifting to see Biden putting together his administration! Trump appointed a former coal lobbyist to run the EPA, He appointed a woman who spent her life trying to destroy public education to the Education department and he appointed Rick Perry to the Energy Department who had said that department should be eliminated. Biden, in contrast, has appointed seasoned veterans of the Federal government who have deep knowledge in their fields and best of all are competent. They are all middle of the road moderates. Not a screaming Socialist among them. Nobody came out of that dreaded Trojan Horse as we were promised. They are boring and they know what needs to be done. What a relief!


12/01/20 11:11 AM #14102    

 

Jay Shackford

 

Joan's husband might be right.... See NYT story below. 

We still need to complete the election for the outstanding Senate races, which will be critical for breaking the deadlock in the Senate and getting back to uniting and governing the nation. So jump on the "Midnight Train to Georgia" now with a big contriibution to the Senate Democratic candidates in Georgia.  

BTW, where's Mitch?  The election was held three weeks ago .... and the results were decisive and have been certified in every battleground state. On the popular vote, Joe Biden  beat Trump by more than 6 million votes, and in the electoral college, Biden beat Trump by a margin of 306 to 214.  But still no congratualory call from Moscow Mitch, who is scared to death that Trump will urge his base to stay home for the Georgia runoff elections if he is betrayed by the Majority Leader .  

$170 Million Trump Slush Fund

The New York Times/Maggie Haberman and Shane Goldmacker

President Trump has raised about $170 million since Election Day as his campaign operation has continued to aggressively solicit donations with hyped-up appeals that have funded his fruitless attempts to overturn the election and that have seeded his post-presidential political ambitions, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The money, much of which was raised in the first week after the election, according to the person, has arrived as Mr. Trump has made false claims about fraud and sought to undermine public confidence in the legitimacy of President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory.

Instead of slowing down after the election, Mr. Trump’s campaign has ratcheted up its volume of email solicitations for cash, telling supporters that money was needed for an “Election Defense Fund.”

In reality, the fine print shows that the first 75 percent of every contribution currently goes to a new political action committee that Mr. Trump set up in mid-November, Save America, which can be used to fund his political activities going forward, including staff and travel. The other 25 percent of each donation is directed to the Republican National Committee.

A donor has to give $5,000 to Mr. Trump’s new PAC before any funds go to his recount account.

Still, the Trump campaign continues to urgently ask for cash. On Monday, Mr. Trump signed a campaign email that breathlessly told supporters that the end of November — nearly four weeks after Election Day — represented “our most IMPORTANT deadline EVER.”

Tim Murtaugh, a spokesman for Mr. Trump’s campaign, declined to comment on the fund-raising.

The $170 million figure, raised in less than four weeks, is an enormous sum that rivals the amounts of money brought in at the peak of the campaign. While a breakdown of the money was not immediately available, the deluge of donations would appear to have paid off any remaining Trump campaign debt (in the first days after the election, the fine print showed that contributions were earmarked for that purpose). The money is also likely to provide Mr. Trump with a sizable financial head start in paying for his post-presidency political activities.

Despite the influx of cash, both the Trump campaign and the R.N.C. have reduced the size of their staffs since the election.

 

As Senate runoffs approach, Trump’s attacks on Georgia Republicans have worried some in his party.

 

Eric Johnson, center, a campaign adviser to Senator Kelly Loeffler, wants President Trump to stop saying the election was rigged and to focus on getting Republican candidates elected in Georgia.Credit...Stephen Morton/Associated Press

President Trump’s sustained assault on his own party in Georgia, and his repeated claims of election fraud in the state, have intensified worries among Republicans that he could be hurting their ability to win two crucial Senate runoff races next month.

The president has continued to claim without evidence that his loss in the new battleground state was fraudulent, directing his ire in particular at Gov. Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, both conservative Republicans, whom he has accused of not doing enough to help him overturn the result.

Over the weekend, he escalated his attacks on Mr. Kemp, saying he was “ashamed” to have endorsed him in 2018, and on Monday he called Mr. Kemp “hapless” on Twitter as he urged him to “overrule his obstinate Republican Secretary of state.’’

Mr. Trump’s broadsides have quietly rattled some Republicans in the state, who fear that concerns about the fairness of the presidential election could depress turnout for the Senate races, which will determine whether Democrats or Republicans control the chamber.

After resisting entreaties to appear in Georgia, the president plans to travel there this weekend, though even some of his own aides remain uncertain whether his anger toward state officials will overshadow any support he may lend the party’s two candidates.

“You can’t say the system is rigged but elect these two senators,” said Eric Johnson, a former Republican leader of the Georgia Senate who is a campaign adviser to Kelly Loeffler, one of the Republican candidates. “At some point he either drops it or he says I want everybody to vote and get their friends to vote so that the margins are so large that they can’t steal it.”

The split signifies both an extraordinary dispute over election integrity within the Republican Party and a preview of the control the president may continue to exert over the conservative base even after he leaves office. As Mr. Trump talks seriously about the possibility of mounting another bid for the White House in 2024, his personal goals may not always align with those of his party — no matter the political stakes.

“I had someone message me just last week saying: ‘Nope, I’m done. Can’t trust the election. Never voting again,’” said Buzz Brockway, a former Republican state representative. “The president has a very dedicated group of supporters who don’t really support the broader Republican Party — they support him.”

— Lisa LererRichard Fausset and Maggie Haberman

 


12/01/20 01:41 PM #14103    

 

Jack Mallory

This was the day I was hoping for but didn't have the patience to wait for when I put the kayaks away. Dec. 1st--60 degrees at 5:30 am, bringing the mist up into the warm air from the colder water! I could have been paddling!


 

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A WaPo article from yesterday on Gary Trudeau's 10 favorite Doonesbury cartoons. This from September, 1972 as Nixon resigned the Presidency. Spoiler alert--Trudeau says we can expect to see it again in January. 

https://apple.news/Az5mKLdMTScOwbD31HM2JeQ

 


12/01/20 03:10 PM #14104    

 

Jack Mallory

Barr and McConnell seem to be giving coming down from the KoolAid and whatever they've been smoking. 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/12/01/us/joe-biden-trump/barr-says-justice-dept-hasnt-uncovered-fraud-that-could-have-tipped-the-election-and-mcconnell-refers-to-new-administration?referringSource=articleShare
 


12/01/20 09:03 PM #14105    

 

Jack Mallory

Deb and I are celebrating the fact that it looks like the US will still be a democracy in 2022 and Trump won't be around to push his plans for uranium mining near the Grand Canyon.

We have signed up for 6 days of rafting down the Colorado, like we did three years ago. Betting on good health and good luck between now and then; something to look forward to after this bizarre year, something to encourage us to keep active and fit. I was the oldest guy on the last trip, expect I will be this time.


https://www.westernriver.com/grand-canyon-vacation

Anybody else interested?

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It ain't the Colorado, but it's only a 5 minute walk away!


12/01/20 09:53 PM #14106    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Good for you Jack. I hope you and Deb have the time of your lives on the rafting trip. I should be nearby with my easel and paints capturing those beautiful scenes you are posting. Love, Joanie


12/02/20 08:21 AM #14107    

 

Jack Mallory

It would be hard to stabilize an easel on the raft--and keep it dry--Joanie, but you could get some images in your mind that you could later put on canvas! Or you're welcome to my photos😊. 

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A still disappointingly few Republicans continue to condemn Trump's dangerous attempts to subvert the election and our democracy, and endanger decent people. 

In one of the most striking rebukes to President Trump since he launched his baseless attacks on the American electoral process, a top-ranking Georgia election official lashed out at the president on Tuesday for failing to condemn threats of violence against people overseeing the voting system in his state.

“'It has to stop,' Gabriel Sterling, a Republican and Georgia’s voting system implementation manager, said at an afternoon news conference at the state Capitol, his voice shaking with emotion. 'Mr. President, you have not condemned these actions or this language.'

"He added: 'This is elections. This is the backbone of democracy, and all of you who have not said a damn word are complicit in this. It’s too much . . . Stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence. Someone is going to get hurt, someone is going to get shot, someone is going to get killed. And it’s not right.'"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/01/us/politics/georgia-election-trump.html?referringSource=articleShare

 

So many Trump supporters so mute, now, when in the past they've been so eager to defend his attacks on institutions and individuals. All of those "who have not said a damned word are complicit . . ."


12/02/20 08:45 AM #14108    

 

Jay Shackford

Jack -- We did the six day, five night motorized rafting trip down the Grand Canyon in mid-May in 2006. It was a great trip.  Our outfitter was Arizona River Runners, based, I belive, out of Flagstaff, AZ.   Super operation with great guides.  We had two rafts, four guides and about 24 guests.  Slept on the beach of the Colorado River on a mat -- no tented needed.  Mid May is a good time to go --  after the runoff from the winter snows that muddies the water and before the really hot weather during the summner.  In June, July and August temps can reach 110 on the river. We experienced temps in the mid-80s to the low- 90sl Everything -- from the excitement on running the rapids, to the amazing views of the canyon, to the lunch time hikes and body rafting down the Little Colorado River, to the the smell of coffee and breakfast brewing every morning -- exceeded our expectations.  One of the great trips of our lifetimes.  Enjoy.  
 


12/02/20 10:45 AM #14109    

 

Jack Mallory

We did the same trip in 2018, Jay, with Western Rivers. I'm sure all the outfits that do the Grand Canyon provide very similar experiences--as you say, it's the trip of a lifetime. So great, obviously, that although expensive, we were pretty sure we'd do it again. Now, after this last year and desparate for future travel to focus on, we decided to go for it. And the fact that we won't be any younger in 2022! As you know, it doesn't require a high level of athleticism, but those hikes up the side canyons might be tough at 80. All of this year's reservations got rolled into next year, so most of what was available was the year after.

Love going over my photos from the trip!

That would be the very top of Deb's head as she hit the water.

 


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