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06/16/19 08:09 PM #8598    


Jack Mallory

“For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, obvious, and wrong."

“Set up a meeting with the Russkis—We'll get that dirt on Biden! Find out what Putin wants in return, make sure he gets it. It's not interference, it’s making America great again.”


06/17/19 06:17 AM #8599    


Nora Skinker (Morton)

Every now & then I get a feeling that I am repeating myself whenever I make a forum post. I may have told this story about my Dad when I posted last Fathers Day & the one before. Oh, well. What’s one more time? Btw, Joanie, I LOVED your story. When you described that, as a shy young girl, you were buoyed by your Dad’s loving wink & smile across a busy dinner table, I so relate. Though I wasn’t described as shy at any time in my life, I often felt the protective, supportive sideline cheerleading quietly emanating from my Dad & this story illustrates what I mean. Once a year my Dad rounded us up to spend the day at Glen Echo Park (which symbolized nothing short of heaven for us kids). Specifically, the swimming pool, teeming with life, was the epitome of excitement. My big, hairy Dad would take turns piggy backing each of us from one end of the pool to the other. As a girl tween two brothers, I was always trying to keep up & my brothers were going off the high dive. The high dive was high & had a ladder covered with about a dozen kids, each one on a step. I was 7 & had to try it. Happily stepping up the ladder was the easy part, but being at the top looking down was something quite different. I literally froze with fright & behind me were anxious, angry voices screaming at me to ‘jump, dive, do something but get out of the way!!’ The next thing I knew, after clearing every kid off the ladder, my Dad’s strong arm was around me as he gently led me back down the ladder to safety & away from the taunting scene. My hero. As life brought those  “damsel in distress” moments, my Dad just knew instinctively what I needed. Unfortunately, my brothers, to this day, never let me forget the wuss I was on the ladder. But, hey, can’t win ‘em all. 

Jack, all I can say about Trump’s Stephanopoulos “truth hurts” faux pas is that it’s another election season. Every little ANYTHING will be blown up beyond recognition, digested, regurgitated & then re-gurgitated again. The media has premeditated his ‘death by a thousand cuts’.  Your prayers have been answered, so enjoy the bloodbath, my friend! 


06/17/19 07:17 AM #8600    


Jack Mallory

No. I don’t enjoy our President's willingness to entertain hostile powers' interference in our elections, and his reluctance to inform the FBI concerning such interference. I see it like Washington did, not as a faux pas but as a betrayal of our democratic process. 

To continue a theme: any evidence this story has been, “blown up beyond recognition, digested, regurgitated & then re-gurgitated again.”?

06/17/19 11:07 AM #8601    


Nora Skinker (Morton)

I dare say, you make my point, kind sir. Do you actually think “op research” is a Trump phenom? Two years of investigation & still not enough evidence for Mueller to concede that anyone affiliated with Trump’s campaign (nor any American) colluded with the Russians. I know, I know - I can’t have an opinion because I haven’t read the whole Mueller report. Yet, you ask for it. (Btw, might you have a hard time believing 450 pages of material prepared by 13 Republicans, 11 of whom had donated over $60k to the RNC, if it made Biden or HRC look bad?). Read my lips: plain & simple politics. 

A favor request: on behalf of a friend of mine, does anyone happen to know anything about Marianne Watts (BCC Class of ‘65)? Where she may live? Anything? If so, please private message me. Thanks, folks. 

Major kudos to Jon Stewart for shaming congress into making sure the 9-11 (cancer related) victims & their fams are taken care of. Is & always was a no-brainer, were it not for politics. Gimme a break. 



06/17/19 01:16 PM #8602    


Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

That is a beautiful story about your dad Nori. I am glad you loved my story too.

I disagree about it being ok for Trump to say he would take ops research on opponents. That is extremely dangerous. Love, Joanie

06/17/19 02:07 PM #8603    


Nora Skinker (Morton)

Being ok? Of course it isn’t ok. It’s commonplace however to gather as much negativity as one can on an opponent. Truth is, the law should have deeper clarity since “contributions from foreign entities” has been loosely interpreted as monetary contributions, opening doors to all kinds of info. Rumors & lies (i.e, the bogus Steele dossier paid for by the DNC & originating from Russia) smells a lot like interfering with an election to me, particularly when those in authority were Comey, Clapper, Brennen & Company. 



06/17/19 03:31 PM #8604    


Jack Mallory

If I were to read the same abundance of evidence collected on contacts between Biden or Sanders and a foreign power, I'd believe it. Do you have such evidence?

The Mueller report was neither aimed at nor drew conclusions about collusion, although it provides plenty of evidence of just that to anyone who reads it. Arguing from ignorance is tough, though.

I'll admit I shouldn't have started by asking for evidence that the story of Trump's willingness to accept foreign interference was blown up beyond recognition, digested, regurgitated & then re-gurgitated again.” I should have first asked what the hell that even means? Then I could have gone on to ask what sources blew it up, digested it, and regurgitated it? In what articles? How about some examples? Is there any real meaining there, or is that just smoke-blowing, hand-waving verbiage? A sort of Harry Potterian charm against unpleasant reality?


Eaglets and snaplet still doing fine. But next time you decide to do a little wading, remember--you're not alone.


06/17/19 04:41 PM #8605    


Jack Mallory

It's taken him six and a half years to go almost half way. We'll have to live until about 80 to read the end of the story, I guess, but sounds worth sticking around for. 

A Twenty-Four-Thousand-Mile Walk Across Human History

06/18/19 01:55 PM #8606    


Robert Hall

FYI The Orlando Sentinal has just endorsed a presidential candidate--"Not Trump"--for the 2020 election, citing lies and chaos in the White House.

06/18/19 03:00 PM #8607    


Jack Mallory

Beat me to it, Robert. They did qualify their “anybody but” endorsement, however,

“We’d even consider backing Trump if, say, he found the proverbial cure for cancer or — about as likely — changed the essence of who he is (he won’t),” the board continued. “The nation must endure another 1½ years of Trump. But it needn’t suffer another four beyond that. We can do better. We have to do better.”

“After 2½ years we’ve seen enough. Enough of the chaos, the division, the schoolyard insults, the self-aggrandizement, the corruption, and especially the lies.”

They did say they're not backing a Democrat, would love to endorse Romney or Kasich, even an independent. They have mostly backed Republicans since the mid-50s, although they were prescient enough to endorse HRC In 2016.


To the best of ny knowledge, this article has not been blown up, digested, gurgitated, or regurgitated.


The eaglets are both branching now, preparing to fledge.

Mom or dad giving the requisite lecture about flying being serious business, no fooling around with your buddies while flying, never drink and fly . . .


06/18/19 03:55 PM #8608    


Nora Skinker (Morton)

Funny you should mention Biden & Sanders. You’d best believe there will be plenty of attention given to Joe & his son’s big money ties to China as well as Bernie’s somewhat weird honeymoon choice of Moscow (really, Bern?), not to mention gawd-knows-how-many operation researchers scrounging leads from all over & feeding dirt to campaign personnel. Tis the nature of the beast. Do you really think Nadler or Pelosi want their campaign staffers asked about what op research they’ve conducted over the years? Hahahahaha! 

06/18/19 04:34 PM #8609    


Jack Mallory

Sounds like a lot of unsupported, blown up, digested, and regurgitated bullshit to me, Nora. Good attempt at the red herring ploy, but we're still looking at buckets of willingness to accept foreign interference on Trump's part (past and present), vs. vague unevidenced allegations on yours. Got any facts? With links, of course. 

Oh, and great Joe McCarthy-like sliming of Sanders' honeymoon in Russia. Would have been easy to provide a link, even to some Fox News sleaze, but I'll provide one for you. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/05/what-we-learned-from-watching-long-lost-footage-of-bernie-sanders-in-the-ussr/

Lots of details there—Maybe Bernie drank some vodka! Dirty commie.

06/18/19 05:44 PM #8610    


Jack Mallory

Sometime, a newspaper story provides a smidgen of hope. I know it's the NYT, the lying mainstream media, but unless someone has evidence that it's not true, give it a read. i wish there was way to make a donation. 



06/18/19 05:52 PM #8611    


Glen Hirose


Add: "Look both ways before eating road-kill"

06/18/19 06:51 PM #8612    


Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, does this list of conflicts of interest about Trump concern you at all....just wondering. Love, Joanie


06/18/19 08:59 PM #8613    


Nora Skinker (Morton)

Oh, I don’t necessarily believe any of it, Jack. But politics doesn’t care any more than politics cared about Harry Reid’s lying accusation of Romney not paying his taxes. And he was so right when he said, “it worked, didn’t it?”  Don’t you get it? That’s all it had to do: work. Dirty PAC ads, lies, rumors, innuendo, one accusation from some woman three decades ago, a tweet, a flip from an FBI director, a leak, a 50’s black face, a Halloween costume, the N word, a shrink session, etc. That’s the stuff of election politics. And, as lovely as Sanders & Biden are, they’ll ne’er escape it, either. 

Watched Nicole Wallace’ show on MSNBC today. Nothing but folks there to Trump bash. They revelled in agreeing with one another. A full hour of it. No debates, no differing viewpoints, no talk of issues, the economy, education, border security, Iran, Venezuela, NoKo, China, Mexico, taxes, climate change...nothing. Just what a vicious, hateful, conceited, lying racist we have for a president. I thought to myself that it’s no wonder everyone on the forum hates Trump. Not one positive ANYTHING about this administration was mentioned. Not one. 

Joanie, I could not click on your link. Can you try sending it again please? 

06/18/19 09:29 PM #8614    


Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I just wondered what you thought of this and if it concerns you Nori. Love, Joanie

January 17, 2019

CONTACT: Aaron Rodriguez
202-408-5565 | arodriguez@citizensforethics.org

New CREW Report: Trump’s Racked Up More Than 1,400 Conflicts of Interest

Washington — In the two years since he took office, President Trump racked up more than 1,400 conflicts of interest involving the government, those trying to influence it and the Trump Organization, according to a report released today by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW).

President Trump used the presidency to enrich himself by repeatedly promoting his businesses as extensions of his administration. Political allies, wealthy donors, special interests and foreign governments adopted a key tactic of patronizing Trump’s businesses to curry favor with the Trump administration. Here are some of the key findings from CREW’s tracking of Trump’s conflicts of interest:

  • President Trump made 118 visits to his properties in his second year in office, bringing his two-year total to 281 visits to properties he still profits from in office.
  • In his second year in office, President Trump and other White House staff promoted Trump businesses on at least 87 occasions.
  • 119 federal officials, 53 members of Congress and at least 33 state officials made visits to Trump properties during Trump’s second year in office.
  • More than 150 political committees, including campaigns and party committees, have spent nearly $5 million at Trump businesses since he became president.
  • At least 13 special interest groups lobbied the White House since Trump’s inauguration, some for the first time, around the same time they also patronized a Trump property.
  • At least three foreign countries held events at Trump properties during Trump’s second year in office—two of them did so after having held similar events elsewhere in previous years.
  • Four Mar-a-Lago members have been considered for ambassadorships since his election, and three other members—with no federal government experience—acted as off-the-books shadow officials in Trump’s Veterans Administration.

“It is hard to imagine that the President of the United States could rack up a staggering 1,400 conflicts of interest, yet here we are,” said CREW Executive Director Noah Bookbinder. “Not only has President Trump still refused to divest from his businesses, he seems to have doubled down by reinforcing the idea that the Trump Organization is an extension of the Trump Administration.”

In total, CREW found more than 900 conflicts in the second year of the Trump administration. This presents a clear picture of a presidency used to turn a profit and the president’s businesses serving as points of access to the corridors of power.

“This report shows that as special interests, foreign governments and political allies continue to pour money into Trump’s coffers, the American public is left in the dark about whether presidential decisions and policy are being made in the best interest of the country or in the best interest of the president’s own bottom line,” Bookbinder said.

Click here to read the report.


06/18/19 09:53 PM #8615    


Jack Mallory

You may not believe it, Nora, but you repeat it nonetheless.. No wonder alternative facts, sleazy allegations, exaggerations, and outright lies work. The autocrats whose interests are in power regardless of truth don’t care as much about your belief as they do about your willingness to pass their prevarications on. That's how they come to power, through people who believe or accept their lies and spread them, whether the lies are about socialists, immigrants, Jews, Muslims, Mexicans, media enemies of the people, traitorous critics, or any other fictitious threat.

“McCarthy fooled as many as he did because a lot of people shared his anxieties, liked his vituperative style, and enjoyed watching the powerful squirm. Whether his allegations were greeted with resignation or indignation didn’t matter so much as the fact that they were reported on and repeated. The more inflammatory the charge, the more coverage it received. Even skeptics subscribed to the idea that, though McCarthy might be exaggerating, there had to be some fire beneath the smoke he was spreading. This is the demagogue’s trick, the Fascist’s ploy . . . Repeat a lie often enough and it begins to sound as if it must—or at least might—be so.”  Albright, Fascism: a Warning.

Lies make things simple. No need to worry about the messy complications of reality, just tell the right lies: “I will tell you what has carried me to the position I have reached. Our political problems appeared complicated. The German people could make nothing of them. … I, on the other hand … reduced them to the simplest terms. The masses realized this and followed me.”

Lies worked for Hitler.

06/19/19 11:22 AM #8616    


Joan Ruggles (Young)

Who wants to gossip? I was oblivious until some Brit friends told us last night that the Obamas are in our neighborhood on vacation! The news is all over the UK gossip rag Daily Mail. Poor Obamas are swamped by press. Sasha and Malia were in Isle-sur-la-Sorgue shopping at the farmer's market/flea market on Sunday as were we, but we didn't spot them since we always go early to beat the crowds . And Barack and Malia went hiking on Tuesday at my favorite hike in the whole Luberon - above Lioux. They're staying a FAB mansion on an island in the Rhone river accross from Avignon. Wish I could invite them over for coffee. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/2019/06/18/barack-obama-michelle-sasha-and-malia-family-vacation-france/1487726001/


06/19/19 12:34 PM #8617    


Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Hi Joan, thanks for telling us about the Obamas' trip. That is really cool. Its nice to remember the times when we had a real President who cared about the threat of Russia attacking our elections and who tried to protect us from dirty air and water, etc. Anyway, so neat...Love, Joanie

06/19/19 03:35 PM #8618    


Nora Skinker (Morton)

Gosh, I certainly agree that if lies are fed enough to those who believe them, then yes, they become reality to those believers. But, no matter how I try to understand how Trump is painted a racist, unemployment is down & jobs & wages are up for Blacks, women & Hispanics. Or could Trump’s economy actually be improving things for minorities? Could the liberal media be repeating the lie that Trump is racist, as it did with Reagan & Bush? Could Trump’s tightening law enforcement at the border be putting pressure on Congress to act to protect our borders or is it because Trump hates Hispanics? Could keeping pressure on Iran be squeezing them to consider a new deal regarding nuclear development or, like Hitler, does Trump want to rule the world & therefore wants us to go to war with Iran? Does Trump use tariffs to pressure China to level the playing field where trade is concerned? Or does Trump want a war with China? Does Trump soft pedal NoKo because he wants to strike a deal with it or because he loves dictators? If I only read the NYT, WashPo & tuned into MSNBC, I know how I would feel. But I’m SO glad I don’t. 

Not sure I understand what you’re getting at, Joanie, with the bookkeeping about Trump’s businesses. Do we have the Clintons’ & Obama’s financial records to compare? And aren’t all those figures kind of understandable given that the guy is a businessman with a multi-million dollar national & international empire & is himself a multi-billionaire? I’m still trying to figure out the crimes. If there ARE crimes committed, did I miss something? 

06/19/19 05:41 PM #8619    


Jack Mallory

No kayaking out to the island, inviting the family for coffee, Joan? Would be fun! There were times I deeply opposed his policies, but he was never unwelcome at my table!

If, like me, your time budget and mental focal length are jealously guarded, this article is a very brief NYT (yeah, yeah, yeah) summary of policy similarities and differences among most of the Democratic candidates. 


Abstracted from a much longer article compiling answers to 18 questions posed to 21 of the candidates. Puts the lie to Trumpian assertions that “the liberals” or “the Democrats” have anything as unified or simplistic as a “left wing agenda!”


06/20/19 06:41 AM #8620    


Jack Mallory

Welcome to 2020. I'm sure there are some very fine people here. 

06/20/19 07:55 AM #8621    


Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Yes, I heard that David Duke and his ilk are happy and showing up at Trump events and Trump isn't discouraging them. Its very scary. They feel that they have a candidate now and they feel they can come out of the woodwork. Love, Joanie

06/20/19 07:55 AM #8622    


Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Yes, I heard that David Duke and his ilk are happy and showing up at Trump events and Trump isn't discouraging them. Its very scary. They feel that they have a candidate now and they feel they can come out of the woodwork. Love, Joanie

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