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11/28/20 01:11 PM #14107    

 

Jack Mallory

I doubt that it's much more risky than just walking around in the Med center. Nor exactly front line work, but a little ways behind the front line isn't a bad place to be--learned that 50 years ago!

It does make me pissy about the COVIDiots who get their undies in a twist about wearing masks, or changing their holiday plans, though. 

Speaking of COVIDiocy, this is an excellent column by the NYT conservative columnists David Brooks about where we are and how we got here.

"In a recent Monmouth University survey, 77 percent of Trump backers said Joe Biden had won the presidential election because of fraud. Many of these same people think climate change is not real. Many of these same people believe they don’t need to listen to scientific experts on how to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

"We live in a country in epistemological crisis, in which much of the Republican Party has become detached from reality. Moreover, this is not just an American problem. All around the world, rising right-wing populist parties are floating on oceans of misinformation and falsehood. What is going on?

"Many people point to the internet — the way it funnels people into information silos, the way it abets the spread of misinformation. I mostly reject this view. Why would the internet have corrupted Republicans so much more than Democrats, the global right more than the global left?

"My analysis begins with a remarkable essay that Jonathan Rauch wrote for National Affairs in 2018 called “The Constitution of Knowledge.” Rauch pointed out that every society has an epistemic regime, a marketplace of ideas where people collectively hammer out what’s real. In democratic, nontheocratic societies, this regime is a decentralized ecosystem of academics, clergy members, teachers, journalists and others who disagree about a lot but agree on a shared system of rules for weighing evidence and building knowledge.

"This ecosystem, Rauch wrote, operates as a funnel. It allows a wide volume of ideas to get floated, but only a narrow group of ideas survive collective scrutiny. “We let alt-truth talk,” Rauch said, “but we don’t let it write textbooks, receive tenure, bypass peer review, set the research agenda, dominate the front pages, give expert testimony or dictate the flow of public dollars.”

"Over the past decades the information age has created a lot more people who make their living working with ideas, who are professional members of this epistemic process. The information economy has increasingly rewarded them with money and status. It has increasingly concentrated them in ever more prosperous metro areas.

"While these cities have been prospering, places where fewer people have college degrees have been spiraling down: flatter incomes, decimated families, dissolved communities. In 1972, people without college degrees were nearly as happy as those with college degrees. Now those without a degree are far more unhappy about their lives.

"People need a secure order to feel safe. Deprived of that, people legitimately feel cynicism and distrust, alienation and anomie. This precarity has created, in nation after nation, intense populist backlashes against the highly educated folks who have migrated to the cities and accrued significant economic, cultural and political power. Will Wilkinson of the Niskanen Center calls this the “Density Divide.” It is a bitter cultural and political cold war.

"In the fervor of this enmity, millions of people have come to detest those who populate the epistemic regime, who are so distant, who appear to have it so easy, who have such different values, who can be so condescending. Millions not only distrust everything the “fake news” people say, but also the so-called rules they use to say them.

"People in this precarious state are going to demand stories that will both explain their distrust back to them and also enclose them within a safe community of believers. The evangelists of distrust, from Donald Trump to Alex Jones to the followers of QAnon, rose up to give them those stories and provide that community. Paradoxically, conspiracy theories have become the most effective community bonding mechanisms of the 21st century.

"For those awash in anxiety and alienation, who feel that everything is spinning out of control, conspiracy theories are extremely effective emotional tools. For those in low status groups, they provide a sense of superiority: I possess important information most people do not have. For those who feel powerless, they provide agency: I have the power to reject “experts” and expose hidden cabals. As Cass Sunstein of Harvard Law School points out, they provide liberation: If I imagine my foes are completely malevolent, then I can use any tactic I want.

"Under Trump, the Republican identity is defined not by a set of policy beliefs but by a paranoid mind-set. He and his media allies simply ignore the rules of the epistemic regime and have set up a rival trolling regime. The internet is an ideal medium for untested information to get around traditional gatekeepers, but it is an accelerant of the paranoia, not its source. Distrust and precarity, caused by economic, cultural and spiritual threat, are the source.

"What to do? You can’t argue people out of paranoia. If you try to point out factual errors, you only entrench false belief. The only solution is to reduce the distrust and anxiety that is the seedbed of this thinking. That can only be done first by contact, reducing the social chasm between the members of the epistemic regime and those who feel so alienated from it. And second, it can be done by policy, by making life more secure for those without a college degree.

"Rebuilding trust is, obviously, the work of a generation." 
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/26/opinion/republican-disinformation.html?referringSource=articleShare

 


11/29/20 01:03 PM #14108    

 

Jack Mallory

More Republicans to be thankful for:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/28/us/politics/trump-republicans-election-results.html?referringSource=articleShare

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Gorgeous late November day.

 


 

Another one that's been to cute school. 
 


 


11/29/20 09:37 PM #14109    

 

Helen Lambie (Goldstein)

I've hopefully corrected the error in the url I first posted

 

In keeping with the nature theme, I suggest this fabulous article about hummingbirds.

https://tinyurl.com/y43b5ppf

What I found most fascinating was this fact: “As light glimpses the necks of Ruby-throats, Sapphire-bellieds, and Honduran Emeralds, brilliant color shimmers off a distinctive patch of ruffled feathers known as a “gorget” (pronounced gor-jet).

These dazzling ornaments are found on males, and some females, in many of the more than 300 hummingbird species. And what makes them so remarkable, scientists say, is that they are not actually colored at all.” Check it out!

 

 


11/30/20 08:26 PM #14110    

Clifford Elgin

Robert (and others) you may share my thoughts but, before you do, here is part three:  As a former history teacher and life long history student, the last four years have both been interesting and scary; 

A candidate who has a long shot of winning, wins.  His campaign is centered on appeal to the less educated,down trodden, and fearful.  Campaign on making the home country great again.  The campaign is enabled by organized gangs who intimidate often through physical abuse including beatings and other violence, even death.  Once elected the pattern is familiar:  Control the media and, if yo can't, criticize and harras calling it fake news and create yoru own news.  Lie and lie and lie again under the theory that if you lie long enough and lound enough people will believe you.  Find a basically defenseiess minor and denigrate them, arrest and detain them, separate families, keep them in special camps.  (Trump started with Muslims but changed when they were too strong)  Accuse the minority of horrible crimes and seeking special privelges.   Did anyone beside me find it ironic that on one day Trump in Texas states that immigrants are coming here to get on our welfares system and the very next day ICE arrests 500 people in three manufacturering plants in Mississippi putting hundreds of working, tax paying people out of work and putting hundreds of families on welfare?  Of course, you want to appoint judges who will rubber stamp your program and have a legislature who will also support all that you do.  Of course, you must have a national "police" that will ignore the laws of your country will arresting and incarcerating your citizens.  Of course, we have seen this pattern before.

So, now we have come to the end of the four years, and the parallel continues:  proclaiming imaginary scenerios, claiming fictious victories, lashing out at friend and foe alike, punishing those he deems disloyal, refusing to accept the obvious.  pushing fo rthe destruction of the country he professed to love.  

Of course, we have seen this before --- but, unlike the end of the Third Reich, the lead is not dead and the country is not in physical ruin and that is what is really, really scary.  


11/30/20 09:34 PM #14111    

 

Jack Mallory

Big difference, Kip, is that in 1945 the Russians drove a cornered Hitler to suicide. For the last five or six years we've seen the Russians do their best to keep Trump in power. Let history record that Trump couldn't get a majority of Americans to vote for him even with Putin's help!

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Political cartoonist as fortune teller. From June 1, this year. 
 


 

And the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington forecasts that Trump will leave us this legacy on Inauguration Day. Almost 100,000 more deaths than our WWII combat casualties over four years of war. Trump, one helluva "wartime President." 

"It's going to go away . . .It will just disappear . . . The numbers are very minuscule . . . It's just dying out . . . " https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/


 


12/01/20 06:45 AM #14112    

 

Jack Mallory

If you're looking for evidence of the sheer, unevidenced lunacy the soon-to-be-ex continues to spread, this is a Sunday Fox News interview transcript.


 

 . . . they moved thousands of votes from my account to Biden's account . . .

 . . . dead people were, in some cases, in many, many cases thousands of cases, voted . . . 

 This election was rigged. This election was a total fraud . . . 

They cheated. Joe Biden did not get 80 million votes . . .

https://factba.se/transcript/donald-trump-interview-fox-news-sunday-morning-futures-maria-bartiromo-november-29-2020
 

And on, and on. The similarities Kip notes between Germany in the 30s and today are real. Donald J. Trump is the greatest threat to our democracy since WWII. Greater even than Nixon, because so many more Americans fail to see threat today. And though he will not be 46, he will be dangerous until he is completely gone from our political landscape. 

 


12/01/20 10:23 AM #14113    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

I think my husband's prediction is beginning to come true. DT has begun fundraising full force. The more he pleads "I was robbed!" the more his base sends him money. So far he's amassed $150,000,000. This is money he can use any way he wants for anything he wants. Personal expenses? Sure! Travel to rallies? Sure! Begin his 2024 campaign? Sure! They were told it was to be used as a legal defense fund but it will at least initially go to pay down his campaign debts. Then the PAC turns into a fund for any political uses he sees fit. I feel really sorry for the small donors who may not be able to afford to finance a "billionaire's" whims. 

The fraud charges in Georgia seem to be causing some indigestion for the Republican candidates, Perdue and Loeffler who tell us the election was a fraud! The Secretary of State should be fired! Oh and meanwhile be sure to turn up and vote for us in the next fraudulent election on January 6th! How is that going to work?

In the latest voter fraud case in Pennsylvania, Trump-appointed judge, Stephanos Bibas says, “Calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here. Voters, not lawyers, choose the President. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections.” 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/27/appeals-court-trump-campaign-pennsylvania-440813

 

"Either the president is delusional, or he is willing to knowingly tear down the democracy to deny that he is a loser." 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-republican-dodge-on-trumps-lies-has-run-its-course/2020/11/30/0a0030c4-3354-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_todays_headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_headlines

 

Fun fact - in Michigan the hand recount ordered and paid for by DT ($3 million) resulted in an extra 87 votes for Biden! I bet DT was grumpy about that. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/wisconsin-recount-over/2020/11/29/b4896ade-30c9-11eb-96c2-aac3f162215d_story.html

 

 Remember how a couple months ago DT was yelling "COVID COVID COVID that's all they talk about! As soon as the election is over they'll stop talking about it."  And remember when he said, "If Biden wins just watch your 401K tank!" Hmmmm big surge in the stock market after Biden won and nonstop talk of covid in the news. Not much of a fortune teller. 

 

It's really uplifting to see Biden putting together his administration! Trump appointed a former coal lobbyist to run the EPA, He appointed a woman who spent her life trying to destroy public education to the Education department and he appointed Rick Perry to the Energy Department who had said that department should be eliminated. Biden, in contrast, has appointed seasoned veterans of the Federal government who have deep knowledge in their fields and best of all are competent. They are all middle of the road moderates. Not a screaming Socialist among them. Nobody came out of that dreaded Trojan Horse as we were promised. They are boring and they know what needs to be done. What a relief!


12/01/20 11:11 AM #14114    

 

Jay Shackford

 

Joan's husband might be right.... See NYT story below. 

We still need to complete the election for the outstanding Senate races, which will be critical for breaking the deadlock in the Senate and getting back to uniting and governing the nation. So jump on the "Midnight Train to Georgia" now with a big contriibution to the Senate Democratic candidates in Georgia.  

BTW, where's Mitch?  The election was held three weeks ago .... and the results were decisive and have been certified in every battleground state. On the popular vote, Joe Biden  beat Trump by more than 6 million votes, and in the electoral college, Biden beat Trump by a margin of 306 to 214.  But still no congratualory call from Moscow Mitch, who is scared to death that Trump will urge his base to stay home for the Georgia runoff elections if he is betrayed by the Majority Leader .  

$170 Million Trump Slush Fund

The New York Times/Maggie Haberman and Shane Goldmacker

President Trump has raised about $170 million since Election Day as his campaign operation has continued to aggressively solicit donations with hyped-up appeals that have funded his fruitless attempts to overturn the election and that have seeded his post-presidential political ambitions, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The money, much of which was raised in the first week after the election, according to the person, has arrived as Mr. Trump has made false claims about fraud and sought to undermine public confidence in the legitimacy of President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory.

Instead of slowing down after the election, Mr. Trump’s campaign has ratcheted up its volume of email solicitations for cash, telling supporters that money was needed for an “Election Defense Fund.”

In reality, the fine print shows that the first 75 percent of every contribution currently goes to a new political action committee that Mr. Trump set up in mid-November, Save America, which can be used to fund his political activities going forward, including staff and travel. The other 25 percent of each donation is directed to the Republican National Committee.

A donor has to give $5,000 to Mr. Trump’s new PAC before any funds go to his recount account.

Still, the Trump campaign continues to urgently ask for cash. On Monday, Mr. Trump signed a campaign email that breathlessly told supporters that the end of November — nearly four weeks after Election Day — represented “our most IMPORTANT deadline EVER.”

Tim Murtaugh, a spokesman for Mr. Trump’s campaign, declined to comment on the fund-raising.

The $170 million figure, raised in less than four weeks, is an enormous sum that rivals the amounts of money brought in at the peak of the campaign. While a breakdown of the money was not immediately available, the deluge of donations would appear to have paid off any remaining Trump campaign debt (in the first days after the election, the fine print showed that contributions were earmarked for that purpose). The money is also likely to provide Mr. Trump with a sizable financial head start in paying for his post-presidency political activities.

Despite the influx of cash, both the Trump campaign and the R.N.C. have reduced the size of their staffs since the election.

 

As Senate runoffs approach, Trump’s attacks on Georgia Republicans have worried some in his party.

 

Eric Johnson, center, a campaign adviser to Senator Kelly Loeffler, wants President Trump to stop saying the election was rigged and to focus on getting Republican candidates elected in Georgia.Credit...Stephen Morton/Associated Press

President Trump’s sustained assault on his own party in Georgia, and his repeated claims of election fraud in the state, have intensified worries among Republicans that he could be hurting their ability to win two crucial Senate runoff races next month.

The president has continued to claim without evidence that his loss in the new battleground state was fraudulent, directing his ire in particular at Gov. Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, both conservative Republicans, whom he has accused of not doing enough to help him overturn the result.

Over the weekend, he escalated his attacks on Mr. Kemp, saying he was “ashamed” to have endorsed him in 2018, and on Monday he called Mr. Kemp “hapless” on Twitter as he urged him to “overrule his obstinate Republican Secretary of state.’’

Mr. Trump’s broadsides have quietly rattled some Republicans in the state, who fear that concerns about the fairness of the presidential election could depress turnout for the Senate races, which will determine whether Democrats or Republicans control the chamber.

After resisting entreaties to appear in Georgia, the president plans to travel there this weekend, though even some of his own aides remain uncertain whether his anger toward state officials will overshadow any support he may lend the party’s two candidates.

“You can’t say the system is rigged but elect these two senators,” said Eric Johnson, a former Republican leader of the Georgia Senate who is a campaign adviser to Kelly Loeffler, one of the Republican candidates. “At some point he either drops it or he says I want everybody to vote and get their friends to vote so that the margins are so large that they can’t steal it.”

The split signifies both an extraordinary dispute over election integrity within the Republican Party and a preview of the control the president may continue to exert over the conservative base even after he leaves office. As Mr. Trump talks seriously about the possibility of mounting another bid for the White House in 2024, his personal goals may not always align with those of his party — no matter the political stakes.

“I had someone message me just last week saying: ‘Nope, I’m done. Can’t trust the election. Never voting again,’” said Buzz Brockway, a former Republican state representative. “The president has a very dedicated group of supporters who don’t really support the broader Republican Party — they support him.”

— Lisa LererRichard Fausset and Maggie Haberman

 


12/01/20 01:41 PM #14115    

 

Jack Mallory

This was the day I was hoping for but didn't have the patience to wait for when I put the kayaks away. Dec. 1st--60 degrees at 5:30 am, bringing the mist up into the warm air from the colder water! I could have been paddling!


 

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A WaPo article from yesterday on Gary Trudeau's 10 favorite Doonesbury cartoons. This from September, 1972 as Nixon resigned the Presidency. Spoiler alert--Trudeau says we can expect to see it again in January. 

https://apple.news/Az5mKLdMTScOwbD31HM2JeQ

 


12/01/20 03:10 PM #14116    

 

Jack Mallory

Barr and McConnell seem to be giving coming down from the KoolAid and whatever they've been smoking. 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/12/01/us/joe-biden-trump/barr-says-justice-dept-hasnt-uncovered-fraud-that-could-have-tipped-the-election-and-mcconnell-refers-to-new-administration?referringSource=articleShare
 


12/01/20 09:03 PM #14117    

 

Jack Mallory

Deb and I are celebrating the fact that it looks like the US will still be a democracy in 2022 and Trump won't be around to push his plans for uranium mining near the Grand Canyon.

We have signed up for 6 days of rafting down the Colorado, like we did three years ago. Betting on good health and good luck between now and then; something to look forward to after this bizarre year, something to encourage us to keep active and fit. I was the oldest guy on the last trip, expect I will be this time.


https://www.westernriver.com/grand-canyon-vacation

Anybody else interested?

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It ain't the Colorado, but it's only a 5 minute walk away!


12/01/20 09:53 PM #14118    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Good for you Jack. I hope you and Deb have the time of your lives on the rafting trip. I should be nearby with my easel and paints capturing those beautiful scenes you are posting. Love, Joanie


12/02/20 08:21 AM #14119    

 

Jack Mallory

It would be hard to stabilize an easel on the raft--and keep it dry--Joanie, but you could get some images in your mind that you could later put on canvas! Or you're welcome to my photos😊. 

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A still disappointingly few Republicans continue to condemn Trump's dangerous attempts to subvert the election and our democracy, and endanger decent people. 

In one of the most striking rebukes to President Trump since he launched his baseless attacks on the American electoral process, a top-ranking Georgia election official lashed out at the president on Tuesday for failing to condemn threats of violence against people overseeing the voting system in his state.

“'It has to stop,' Gabriel Sterling, a Republican and Georgia’s voting system implementation manager, said at an afternoon news conference at the state Capitol, his voice shaking with emotion. 'Mr. President, you have not condemned these actions or this language.'

"He added: 'This is elections. This is the backbone of democracy, and all of you who have not said a damn word are complicit in this. It’s too much . . . Stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence. Someone is going to get hurt, someone is going to get shot, someone is going to get killed. And it’s not right.'"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/01/us/politics/georgia-election-trump.html?referringSource=articleShare

 

So many Trump supporters so mute, now, when in the past they've been so eager to defend his attacks on institutions and individuals. All of those "who have not said a damned word are complicit . . ."


12/02/20 08:45 AM #14120    

 

Jay Shackford

Jack -- We did the six day, five night motorized rafting trip down the Grand Canyon in mid-May in 2006. It was a great trip.  Our outfitter was Arizona River Runners, based, I belive, out of Flagstaff, AZ.   Super operation with great guides.  We had two rafts, four guides and about 24 guests.  Slept on the beach of the Colorado River on a mat -- no tented needed.  Mid May is a good time to go --  after the runoff from the winter snows that muddies the water and before the really hot weather during the summner.  In June, July and August temps can reach 110 on the river. We experienced temps in the mid-80s to the low- 90sl Everything -- from the excitement on running the rapids, to the amazing views of the canyon, to the lunch time hikes and body rafting down the Little Colorado River, to the the smell of coffee and breakfast brewing every morning -- exceeded our expectations.  One of the great trips of our lifetimes.  Enjoy.  
 


12/02/20 10:45 AM #14121    

 

Jack Mallory

We did the same trip in 2018, Jay, with Western Rivers. I'm sure all the outfits that do the Grand Canyon provide very similar experiences--as you say, it's the trip of a lifetime. So great, obviously, that although expensive, we were pretty sure we'd do it again. Now, after this last year and desparate for future travel to focus on, we decided to go for it. And the fact that we won't be any younger in 2022! As you know, it doesn't require a high level of athleticism, but those hikes up the side canyons might be tough at 80. All of this year's reservations got rolled into next year, so most of what was available was the year after.

Love going over my photos from the trip!

That would be the very top of Deb's head as she hit the water.

 


12/02/20 12:25 PM #14122    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack, those shots are gorgeous. They make me want to paint. I paint on location though, but the photos are incredible and I love looking at them. You are quite the photographer!!! Love joanie

12/02/20 01:45 PM #14123    

 

Jack Mallory

Thanks, Joanie. In the Grand Canyon you could take photographs like playing pin-the-tail on the donkey: blind-folded, spun around three times, shoot at random. Can't miss down there! 


 

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​Great idea here! Make The Deep State our term. Take it away from the paranoid conspiracists, make it mean what WE want it to: the often anonymous, invisible, unappreciated men and women who serve the nation, who work to make it work. Those whose allegiance and efforts are for the Constitution, not for some power-hungry, egomaniacal politician. The Republican, Democratic, and independent civil servants who place duty before party: Vindmans and Krebs and Raffensburgers and Sterlings, Yovanovichs and Faucis. Congressionals, judges, CDC workers and election officials whose loyalty is to the nation and not to the mad would-be-king railing in his palace about disloyalty and plots and his own imaginary Deep State!

 


 

"The deep state isn’t a reflexive defense of a corrupt status quo. It’s a righteous defense against the corruption of democracy, which is what Trump continues to attempt.

"And that defense is holding. Three cheers for the deep state, which has been on a roll these past three weeks . . .

"Let’s define it ourselves, not as a swampy society of self-preserving bureaucrats in Washington but as a steadfast, tradition-minded legion of public officials and civil servants all over the country, in every branch of government."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/02/opinion/trump-fauci-deep-state.html?referringSource=articleShare


12/02/20 02:16 PM #14124    

 

Glen Hirose

  

      Vinque Regular

                 

                          Cretino Regular.                                                             


12/02/20 05:44 PM #14125    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Glen, those holiday spreads look yummy.
Thanks for posting those. Love, joanie❤️

12/03/20 10:36 AM #14126    

 

Jack Mallory

Trump's people: he really can pick 'em.

  • The message was an ad from a right-wing activist group asking Trump to "declare limited Martial Law to temporarily suspend the Constitution ... in order to have the military implement a national re-vote that reflects the true will of the people."
  • Flynn shared the press release about the ad on Twitter, tagged several Trump-supporting lawyers and media personalities, and wrote, "Freedom never kneels except for God."
  • The president does not have the power to unilaterally cancel, delay, postpone, or change the date of an election even if he declares martial law, and declaring martial law does not suspend the Constitution.
  • The military also has no role in administering elections, and even if it did, it could not "implement a national re-vote" because the right to vote is not specified in the Constitution or in a federal statute.

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-flynn-shares-message-trump-martial-law-2020-12https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-flynn-shares-message-trump-martial-law-2020-12


12/03/20 12:07 PM #14127    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

The Trump corruption and his corrupt team like Flynn continue their assault on democracy, and still the majority of Republicans remain silent and thus complicit. Love, joanie

12/03/20 07:29 PM #14128    

 

Jack Mallory

Sanity, on the horizon. Been a LONG time coming. 


"Biden also said he would ask Americans to wear masks for 100 days after his inauguration in a nationwide effort to curb the spread of the disease. Biden has floated mask mandates in the past, but the 100-day time element adds a new detail to the next administration's Covid policy . . ."

"Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris have made it a point to publicly wear masks and socially distance their campaign events — a stark contrast from President Donald Trump. 'The president and vice president, we set the pattern by wearing masks,' Biden said Thursday.

"A 100-day timeframe would be enough for about 100 million people — roughly those who have the greatest vulnerabilities to the virus — to receive a vaccine, according to estimates from Moncef Slaoui, scientific head of Operation Warp Speed."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/03/biden-fauci-covid-team-442739
 


12/04/20 11:49 AM #14129    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack, I heard the Biden/Harris interview. It feels so good having them at the helm. They have extremely hard work ahead but they have scientists and qualified doctors guiding the effort. Three months of vigilent mask wearing Biden recommended gives people hope that this isn't forever. The vaccine will be coming but a lot of time has been lost to work out distribution of it. Can't wait til January 20th comes for a new day in America.. Love Joanie

12/04/20 12:17 PM #14130    

 

Jay Shackford

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

-Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda for the Nazi 3rd Reich

 


12/04/20 02:31 PM #14131    

 

Jack Mallory

Goebbels doesn't talk about the importance of finding the lies that some people WANT to hear, which is one thing that Trump is good at. Or the mega-deception of polluting the epistemic environment with so much falsehood that people lose any belief in truth at all. They then fall into, or eagerly embrace, a cynicism that makes them proud of their disbelief rather than doing the hard work necessary to look for evidence and at least approximate truth.

Trump may be good at the former but he is masterful at the latter. Having government lie is dangerous. But having government work to convince people that reality is meaningless is fatal to democracy. If you don't know what's real, how do you know what policies will make life better, or worse? How do you know who to vote for? What's the point in paying attention to policy, or voting, if it's impossible to determine what's real and what's not? Oh well, let der Feuhrer, or der Donald, decide.


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