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09/26/20 09:00 AM #13323    


Joan Ruggles (Young)


The number of children who do not have enough to eat has soared in the pandemic, according to the Census Bureau and Agriculture Department.

Jon Schwarz

September 23 2020, 1:00 p.m.


THE LEVEL OF hunger in U.S. households almost tripled between 2019 and August of this year, according to an analysis of new data from the Census Bureau and the Department of Agriculture. Even more alarming, the proportion of American children who sometimes do not have enough to eat is now as much as 14 times higher than it was last year.

The Agriculture Department conducts yearly studies on food insecurity in the U.S., with its report on 2019 released this month. The Census Bureau began frequent household surveys in April in response to Covid-19 that include questions about hunger.

The analysis, by the Washington, D.C.-based Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, found that 3.7 percent of U.S. households reported they sometimes or often had “not enough to eat” during 2019. Meanwhile, the most recent Census data from the end of August of this year showed that 10 percent of households said they sometimes or often did not have enough to eat within the past seven days. Levels of food insecurity in Black and Latino households are significantly higher, at 19 percent and 17 percent, respectively, compared to 7 percent in white households.

Even worse, while about 1 percent of adults with children said their children sometimes or often went hungry in 2019, between 9 and 14 percent of such adults said the same about their kids in August 2020. CBPP estimates that this adds up to about 5 million school-aged children in such households.

“What I see every day from the pandemic is amazingly-increased numbers of severely underweight children coming to our clinic, and parents really panicked about how they’re going to find enough food,” says Dr. Megan Sandel, an associate professor of pediatrics at Boston University School of Medicine.

For more read the full story here:


What I haven’t heard DT respond to is the question - If you’re so certain there will be a “Transition” to your next term, that is that you are certain you will win, why are you so concerned about the next president picking the Supreme Court justice? Oh wait, you can only win if the Supreme Court gives you the win. Now I get it. You’re scared shitless you will lose. Apologies to the frail sensibilities of John.   

Oh there goes Nori pinin' for the 50's again. Too bad you can't get ahold of a time machine. Maybe you could stay there. Call me crazy but I for one think we live a vastly better life now. 

Here's a photo of our backyard the other day.

09/26/20 10:59 AM #13324    


Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Gorgeous backyard Joan. I would like to paint that scene but I paint on location. At least I can marvel at it. What a beautiful visual refuge from the chaos around us. Jack's photos too are a wonderful escape. Love, Joanie

09/26/20 11:18 AM #13325    


Jack Mallory

But Joan, "our poorest have food" and "the American generation . . . has known plenty of prosperity."

The well-fed and prosperous say so! How can anyone be hungry?

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"


Beautiful shot of your back yard!

09/26/20 11:25 AM #13326    


Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, the facts just don't show Trump's handling of the virus saving lives. He failed to institute a national program and instead let states do what they want. He didn't want national testing because without it he thought blue state governors looked bad and he actively encouraged no mask wearing and no social distancing. You said Dr Fauci is your hero. Fauci said THE OPPOSITE. People need to social distance and wear masks. Did you see his last rally packed with maskless people while Trump said he was at a safe distance for himself. How can you not recognize Trump's approach costing lives. Love, joanie

09/26/20 12:42 PM #13327    


Jack Mallory

Suddenly Finland, seldom in the news, is now headline material. Looks like the State Department is working hard to protect America's interests--or at least Trump's teeny weeny ego!


09/26/20 01:16 PM #13328    


Nora Skinker (Morton)

     I'm with you, Joan. You are not crazy. We DO live a vastly better life today than in the 50s which is exactly why AOC's baseless statement is so inane. Too bad the younger generation has appeared (to many of their own) not to get that message. As for groundless assumptions made about me & others who may have found contentment in this country & lead charitable, giving lives: they are baseless, demeaning &, to my mind, not worth discussing. Those unkind assumptions may well feed the motivations of those who have chosen not to contribute to the forum at all. What a shame that all those classmates who might share peeks into their lives with us, are put off by cruel condemnation & judgment for simply living well. And Jay, it has been my experience that empathy does not discriminate. How shallow to assume otherwise. My grandmother always said "small minds talk of people; medium minds talk of events; large minds speak of ideas". Though she may not have been first to share those words, we may be wise to take note. 
    Helen, I know Steve must have truly appreciated your recognition of his book & film & I'm glad to know you cheered him on. My point is that there should be more of that. More welcoming. More support. 
    If there was ever reason to suspect the media's honesty, it is after discovering the premature, egregious lies dispatched to the public related to the Breonna Taylor case. KY's AG assembling & sharing the facts from evidence made me angry & I'm sure other forum members must have felt betrayed as well. No "no-knock raid"? Legally obtained warrant? Boyfriend shot at police first? From this, one may ask 'what is left for the officers to do but to shoot'? It affirms my position that jumping to conclusions in these cases is often unjustifiable & stirs misplaced emotions & worst, violence. 


09/26/20 03:16 PM #13329    


Jack Mallory

Perhaps passing on FB posts carefully clipped so as to accuse Biden supporters like many of us as "Un-American" (your post 13159) might also be seen as an "unkind assumption" or "cruel condemnation and judgement." 

Un-American? This is what the Trump supporter at the NH anti-Trump rally called me a year or so ago. This is what anti-war demonstrators were called 50 years ago. This is what Joe McCarthy and Robert Welch called those with liberal politics 80 years ago.

Today this is standard Trumpist sanctimonious cant, labeling those of us to the left as treasonous enemies of the people instead of marshaling evidence and reason against our ideas. To accuse us of cruel condemnation and judgement and then call us un-American is rank hypocrisy.


I've never been able to figure out why people from groups at higher risk of death from Covid, for example, or low income, or food insecurity, or substandard housing, choose to belong to those groups! Just their own damn fault. 

09/26/20 03:31 PM #13330    


Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

What is left for the officers is not to shoot Breonna Taylor, an unarmed woman, multiple times until she is dead. No excuse. Love, joanie

09/26/20 04:12 PM #13331    


Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, it's not that you can't be thankful for prosperity but the problem is you don't acknowledge that so many others don't have our good fortune. The woman you posted speaking of this left out those people and talked as if we all have this prosperity but aren't thankful.. We are one nation and how the other half lives, food insecure and in poor health etc. should matter to all of us. Love your neighbor as yourself. Love joanie

09/26/20 04:45 PM #13332    


Jack Mallory

Un-American . . . Socialist . . . Enemy of the Jewish People . . . Planning to burn down the Bethlehem suburbs . . .


09/26/20 05:01 PM #13333    


Robert Hall

...With thanks to our oldest son who passed this on.......



09/26/20 05:24 PM #13334    


Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Robert, i like the Biden/Harris flag shown at your house. Its great. Love, joanie

09/26/20 06:43 PM #13335    


Helen Lambie (Goldstein)

Nori, since you posted the 3 Black Men, 3 Different Positions photo you must agree with it. "In America color doesn't define your future, your choices do." This from ACT for America, what the Southern Poverty Law Center says "is listed as an anti-Muslim hate group because it pushes wild anti-Muslim conspiracy theories, denigrates American Muslims and deliberately conflates mainstream and radical Islam." Apparently Muslims aren't the only group it hates. I find posting garbage from hate groups offensive and would like to suggest you retink where you find the material you post.

09/26/20 09:17 PM #13336    


Helen Lambie (Goldstein)

For all of you who feel betrayed by the “egregious lies dispatched to the public related to the Breonna Taylor case” here is the truth, from the Washington Post, if you care to believe it.



Correcting the misinformation about Breonna Taylor


....“This was not a no-knock warrant.”  It absolutely was. It says so right on the warrant. Moreover, the portion of the warrant authorizing a no-knock entry cited only cut-and-pasted information from the four other warrants that were part of the same investigation. This is a violation of a requirement set by the Supreme Court that no-knock warrants should be granted when police can present evidence that a particular suspect is a risk to shoot at police or destroy evidence if they knock and announce. They didn’t do that.

The police claim they were told after the fact to disregard the no-knock portion and instead knock and announce themselves, because, by that point, someone had determined that Taylor was a “soft target” — not a threat, and not a major player in the drug investigation. But there are problems with this account. If Taylor was a “soft target,” why not surround the house, get on a megaphone, and ask her to come out with her hands up? Why still take down her door with a battering ram? Why still serve the warrant in the middle of the night?


For the complete article go to: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/24/correcting-misinformation-about-breonna-taylor/

09/26/20 09:48 PM #13337    


Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Yes, Helen, another senseless death of an unarmed person...what is the value of her life. Apparently not much to those police officers. Love, Joanie

09/27/20 08:35 AM #13338    


Jack Mallory

Nora tells us,


More poor choices?




By Nora's logic, reinforced by a hate group meme, if black people would just quit choosing to be black they wouldn't face systemic racism--QED! 



09/27/20 10:35 AM #13339    


Jay Shackford


I don’t know how many of you subscribe to the electronic version of The New York Times, but if you do check out this feature to Sunday’s edition:

12,000 Feet Up, with a Storm Coming In

A summer romp in the Tetons with Jimmy Chin and his pals. 

Using a combination of video, still photography and text, it tells the story of Jimmy Chin and three of his mountain-climbing pals climbing the Grand Traverse – the 17.8 mile romp along the Tetons’ most thrilling skyline offering roughly 12,000 cumulative feet of climbing on seven major summits.  Chin estimates he’s climbed the Grand as many as 70 times.  

Chin and his wife, Elizabeth, won an Academy Award in 2019 for directing the documentary “Free Solo” about Alex Honnold’s climb of El Capitan in Yosemite National Park. 

Here are a few excerpts from Chin’s romp in the Tetons: 

“Central to the mountaineer’s life – its curse and gift – is an itch for struggle, and a willingness to scratch it that Mo Anthoine, a great British climber,  called ‘feeding the rat.’”

“There are old climbers and bold climbers but no old bold climbers.”

“Nuking is snowing really hard.”

“Next came Mount Owen, a 12,928-foot peak steep enough to demand genuine rock climbing, free solo in this case, unroped in specialized sneakers and backpacks, but mostly on what climbers would describe as ‘good rock,’ solid and hard enough that it won’t crumble under a climber’s body weight – ‘Way more preferable,’ as Chin put it, ‘than scrapping around on what I call vertical kitty litter.’”

‘It is an oddity of human nature, though, discoverable only through experience, that a happy vibrant aliveness comes from what Chin calls ’feeding the bite’ – titrated danger, discomfort – and what fellow climber Conrad Anker called, ‘the anvil,’ that hard surface against which nature hammers us into a more resilient relationship to our own tenderness.” 

“Morning dawned clear but too cold and too much snow and ice for climbing.  Finishing the Grand Traverse was out of the question.  Chin and the others decided to stay put anyway, brew tea and talk.  Every climber knows the feeling: Mind and body calm with fatigue, mood light from dabbling in risk and also from the deep play – inventing challenges, tilting at windmills – unique to those whom Lionel Terray, the celebrated French mountaineer, has called ‘conquistadors of the useless.’ Also, of course, with nowhere to be and nobody expecting emails, mid-expedition down days open wide with hours of talk. ‘Those kinds of days are precious,’ Chin said. ‘There’s not much to do, and you get to hang out and catch up, chat about life.’”

09/27/20 11:13 AM #13340    


Jack Mallory

Just read that great article in my Sunday NYT via electrons, Jay. Another example of the kind of multi-media journalism that can be done on-line.

I recommend this very strongly, also. "Laughtivism," the power of mockery."

"Authoritarians are pompous creatures with monstrous egos and so tend to be particularly vulnerable to humor. They look mighty but are often balloons in need of a sharp pin."

“The grins of the people are the nightmares of the dictators"

“'Every joke is a tiny revolution,' George Orwell wrote in 1945."


(From the Orwell article, "A thing is funny when — in some way that is not actually offensive or frightening — it upsets the established order. Every joke is a tiny revolution. If you had to define humour in a single phrase, you might define it as dignity sitting on a tin-tack. Whatever destroys dignity, and brings down the mighty from their seats, preferably with a bump, is funny. And the bigger they fall, the bigger the joke. It would be better fun to throw a custard pie at a bishop than a curate.")


09/27/20 12:15 PM #13341    


Glen Hirose

   1 Pena Caldaria


09/27/20 01:42 PM #13342    


Jack Mallory

When there's nothing else funny, Glen, the sane person always has himself or herself to laugh at. If you can't laugh at yourself, it's time, with apologies to Kipling, to "roll to your rifle and blow out your brains." 

            The Young British 

WHEN the 'arf-made recruity goes out to the East
'E acts like a babe an' 'e drinks like a beast,
An' 'e wonders because 'e is frequent deceased
Ere 'e's fit for to serve as a soldier.
Serve, serve, serve as a soldier,
Serve, serve, serve as a soldier,
Serve, serve, serve as a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!

Now all you recruities what's drafted to-day,
You shut up your rag-box an' 'ark to my lay,
An' I'll sing you a soldier as far as I may:
A soldier what's fit for a soldier.
Fit, fit, fit for a soldier . . .

First mind you steer clear o' the grog-sellers' huts,
For they sell you Fixed Bay'nets that rots out your guts - 
Ay, drink that 'ud eat the live steel from your butts - 
An' it's bad for the young British soldier.
Bad, bad, bad for the soldier . . .

When the cholera comes - as it will past a doubt - 
Keep out of the wet and don't go on the shout,
For the sickness gets in as the liquor dies out,
An' it crumples the young British soldier.
 Crum-, crum-, crumples the soldier . . .

But the worst o' your foes is the sun over'ead:
You must wear your 'elmet for all that is said:
If 'e finds you uncovered 'e'll knock you down dead,
An' you'll die like a fool of a soldier.
Fool, fool, fool of a soldier . . .

If you're cast for fatigue by a sergeant unkind,
Don't grouse like a woman nor crack on nor blind;
Be handy and civil, and then you will find
That it's beer for the young British soldier.
 Beer, beer, beer for the soldier . . .

Now, if you must marry, take care she is old - 
A troop-sergeant's widow's the nicest I'm told,
For beauty won't help if your rations is cold,
Nor love ain't enough for a soldier.
'Nough, 'nough, 'nough for a soldier . . . 

If the wife should go wrong with a comrade, be loath 
To shoot when you catch 'em - you'll swing, on my oath! - 
Make 'im take 'er and keep 'er: that's Hell for them both,
An' you're shut o' the curse of a soldier.
Curse, curse, curse of a soldier . . .

When first under fire an' you're wishful to duck,
Don't look nor take 'eed at the man that is struck,
Be thankful you're livin', and trust to your luck
And march to your front like a soldier.
Front, front, front like a soldier . . .

When 'arf of your bullets fly wide in the ditch,
Don't call your Martini a cross-eyed old bitch;
She's human as you are - you treat her as sich,
An' she'll fight for the young British soldier.
Fight, fight, fight for the soldier . . .

When shakin' their bustles like ladies so fine,
The guns o' the enemy wheel into line,
Shoot low at the limbers an' don't mind the shine,
For noise never startles the soldier.
Start-, start-, startles the soldier . . . 

If your officer's dead and the sergeants look white,
Remember it's ruin to run from a fight:
So take open order, lie down, and sit tight,
And wait for supports like a soldier.
Wait, wait, wait like a soldier . . .

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains 
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!

09/27/20 01:49 PM #13343    


Helen Lambie (Goldstein)

True, Glen, we are living in tough times, but there is always time for a little musical levity. https://youtu.be/TI8RZhhoBM0

09/27/20 03:55 PM #13344    


Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Helen, that was very amusing. Thanks. Love joanie

09/27/20 05:26 PM #13345    


Helen Lambie (Goldstein)

Oh boy! It looks like the NYTimes has gotten hold of Trump's tax information. Hold on to your seats, ladies and gentlemen, the show is about to begin.

09/27/20 06:12 PM #13346    


Jack Mallory

We're a team, babe!

Perhaps I've been wrong along. Maybe there is a god. It's an incredibly long, detailed article. By the time I've read it there will be summaries and syntheses out everywhere. But I'll post the fun bits as I read.

"The Times obtained Donald Trump’s tax information extending over more than two decades, revealing struggling properties, vast write-offs, an audit battle and hundreds of millions in debt coming due."


09/27/20 07:49 PM #13347    


Jack Mallory

The defense we will hear on the Forum is that, of course, all politicians seldom pay income taxes (and refuse to release their returns), all politicians are responsible for hundreds of million dollars in loans, all politicians write off $70,000 in hair styling for TV appearances,  just like all politicians lie and all politicians are hypocrites.

"Among the key findings of The Times’s investigation:

  • Mr. Trump paid no federal income taxes in 11 of 18 years that The Times examined. In 2017, after he became president, his tax bill was only $750.

  • He has reduced his tax bill with questionable measures, including a $72.9 million tax refund that is the subject of an audit by the Internal Revenue Service.

  • Many of his signature businesses, including his golf courses, report losing large amounts of money — losses that have helped him to lower his taxes.

  • The financial pressure on him is increasing as hundreds of millions of dollars in loans he personally guaranteed are soon coming due.

  • Even while declaring losses, he has managed to enjoy a lavish lifestyle by taking tax deductions on what most people would consider personal expenses, including residences, aircraft and $70,000 in hairstyling for television.

  • Ivanka Trump, while working as an employee of the Trump Organization, appears to have received “consulting fees” that also helped reduce the family’s tax bill.

I don't know all the other things about Joe Bidens's finances, but he's not getting $70,000 worth out of his hair styling.


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