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11/04/17 06:15 AM #5281    

 

Jack Mallory

No need to hope and pray, god supposedly helps those who help themselves: Information on desertion rates is available on-line. The overwhelming majority of troops (yeah, and swabbies and fly-boys'ngirls and jar—oops, marines—even coasties, serve without hoping daily that the penalties for desertion change so they can make a run for it. 

No new policy has been established. Regulations concerning penalties for desertion are unchanged, as are the obligations of military courts to resist even the impression of unlawful command influence, as the article you haven't read makes abundantly clear.

It was necessary to identify Trump as possibly responsible for the UCI in the Bergdahl case because he was. As of yesterday, he continues to try and influence sentencing, which is not yet final, by calling Col. Vance's decision “disgraceful.” A salute to those in the military who resist So-called's attempts to influence the legal process. 

But I understand it's just easier to condemn the military in ignorance, because it's a busy life. Happy Veterans Day.

 


11/04/17 08:17 AM #5282    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Your lividity is definitely showing & I have touched a nerve. Not getting why I have insulted the military but your insulting me (by saying I have) isn’t really a good answer either, is it Jack? Relax. Breathe. 

Though you may not see it this way, my skepticism with the Bergdahl decision is for the precise reason that I DO respect the military & want protection for ALL men & women serving, so that they don’t wind up like the poor souls who were lost trying to find that deserter. 


11/04/17 08:53 AM #5283    

 

Glen Hirose

I watched a curling match for the first time; I think this game is just my speed.

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This particular delivery shows the level of ferocity a big match can generate.

 

 

  


11/04/17 09:20 AM #5284    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Whoa! Is that Jack? He may have had a busier week than I! 😉


11/04/17 08:21 PM #5285    

 

Jack Mallory

https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge-not-the-deserters

An interesting short article, from what looks like an interesting book, apropos of current events. It's easy for those who do not know to judge those who do, and to be sure that they would have done differently. 


11/04/17 09:59 PM #5286    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Is it just me or did anyone else have a problem pulling up the article Jack posted about Trump’s rants re the NY truck terrorist? Or maybe it was supposed to be the effect Trump had on the Bergdahl case? All I could get was a trashy twitter-feed that made me want to take a soapy shower. Can you repost the actual article link again, Jack, so I can (hopefully) read it? Thanks! 

 

 

 


11/05/17 05:44 AM #5287    

 

Jack Mallory

Also includes reference to Obama's UCI, its effects on courts martial. The issue is not Trump, it’s about protecting the integrity of our justice systems, military and civilian. Well, part of the issue is clearly So-called's egregious ignorance (like that turn of phrase, John?) of, or disdain for, norms of justice. It's hard to believe his military and civilian advisors haven't explained how he's violating those norms; seems more likely he just doesn't care, or is unable to control his mouth and fingers, as I’ve suggested.

https://www.justsecurity.org/39541/president-trump-bowe-bergdahl-unlawful-command-influence/

 


11/05/17 11:24 AM #5288    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

At the risk of becoming part of a SNL skit, and hearing 'Nori, you ignorant slut', here's my take on Jack's legally elaborate article: first off, the various cited statutes are far more factual than the somewhat slanted editorializing of Mr. Vladeck (well-known to WaPo readers). True, we can all agree that Trump is not going to be "careful about his public comments", nor is he interested in "established norms". In speaking to your confusion about why he does it, Jack, I can only say that I believe it is because he is a Populist and knows his opinions resonate with a hungry and dissatisfied public-at-large. That said, I truly believe that HE believes what he says is true, though he doesn't pretend to be precise or care much about it either. It's called appealing to emotion. It is the essence of what led him to 1600, in the first place. Also, I believe he has been WELL-advised but has chosen to be his brutal, blunt, blustery self, come what may. But i digress.

Back to the article: the first paragraph is mostly (not totally) subjective, i.e, who is to say whether Trump actually incited violence at a rally during the 2016 campaign, any more than HRC did the same in calling half the population of the country 'implorables"? Could the only real difference be that there were 'rebel-rousing' rally attendees at the Trump functions (some of which, btw, were rumored to be paid participants, representing ANTIFA & BLM groups) and there were few (if any) in attendance at the Clinton campaign rallies? The second paragraph is as subjective as the first: the rants of name-calling summon the question: how do we know for sure that Bergdahl wasn't a bum, a traitor, yes - even a 'son of a bitch'? Trump was echoing the sentiments evident among Bergdahl's appalled fellow soldiers who had outlined publicly the horrible circumstances of the desertion, the search, the dangers, the families, and worst of all, the dead and maimed victims of Bergdahl's decision to run away. Third paragraph: IOW, who is to say the aforementioned Trump claims were 'materially false'? Okay, even if they aren't true, and they DO constitute UCI, then are we to assume that no President can voice an opinion about a military court-martial (or any other military case) again? Additionally, should it only be allowed in a campaign? If so, can (& should) campaign rhetoric later be used against him or her? if so, pass laws to that effect. For, apparently now it is a gray area. And perhaps this case will be a catalyst to once and for all answering that question - particularly since the author admits there have been many ex-Presidents who have been in "hot water" in this way. Troubling is the statement that "the mortal enemy of military justice" is UCI. If so, isn't that enough to warrant distinct definitions of what truly that is? But, more than WHAT it is, HOW does it manifest? Should we also take away the right of those fellow soldiers to tell their story before a court-martial is decided? Should they have rights that a President doesn't have? Should any leakers of a President's opinion on a military court case, be prosecuted too? So many parameters remain unclear..at least for now. 

Vladeck cites "If allowed in practice, UCI will have a corroding effect that could prove deadly to the confidence members of the Armed Forces and the public have in the military justice system." HMM. "If allowed in practice" - if Trump's rhetoric alone is going to have such dire consequences, then should he be impeached for that? Vladeck seems to welcome any opportunity to draw attention to Trump's fiery rhetoric: i.e. Trump's declaration that Bergdahl is responsible for the death of servicemembers. Frankly, I am having a hard time trying to find fault or false info. with that: reminds me of the argument that the illegal immigrant in SF who killed Kate Steinle is not responsible because he didn't mean to do it. He was there! If he weren't, it wouldn't have happened. If Berdahl were there, those servicemen would not have perished, either! Like Vladeck's argument that UCI warrants broader prohibition, and I DO empathize with his frustration, influence WILL be there, no matter what (in reaching a decision) and loss of confidence WILL be there no matter what (in whatever the decision is). The reality for me is that the proposed Presidential response should not be part and parcel of the resolution. Ever. When the only answer is that 'no response can be legally emitted from a President', (to me) that conveys that no confidence resides in the military people who sit in judgement. Shouldn't their abilities to overlook ALL outside influences be part of their job descriptions?

As a cynic, always looking for the role that politics plays, I must suspect to a certain extent, that the Bergdahl decision rested at least somewhat on politics and possible exonerations: Susan Rice's public statements on all the Sunday talk shows, lauding Bergdahl; a Rose Garden whoopla with President Obama leading an emotional display of parental anguish; not to mention the public outcry of Obama's decision to trade Bergdahl for several known radical terrorists and finally and (I believe) most damaging to the military itself, is the very real fact that Bergdahl, in 2006 and before enlisting in the army in 2008, entered the Coast Guard but was discharged after a mere 26 days for psychological reasons. Like that illegal SF immigrant with a bad history, he should never have been there. 

 

 

 


11/05/17 12:24 PM #5289    

 

Jack Mallory

Nora—clearly you’ve learned a lot about UCI. Even though you may disagree with Col. Nance's understanding of his obligations under the UCMJ, about which he undoubtedly know more than you or I, you at least now know why the CIC's comments might have easily been taken as UCI. If Trump had kept his mouth shut and fingers still, Bergdahl might well have received a stiffer sentence. Although, as you point out, his psychological state may also, rightly, have been considered a mitigating factor. 


11/05/17 01:44 PM #5290    

 

Jack Mallory

Trying to put Unlawful Command Influence in a civilian cultural context, to make it more understandable to those with no experience with military culture/justice. Impossible to create a perfect parallel, but let me try this:

You work for a huge corporation. Your supervisor  accuses you of having committed a grievous crime against the company. The corporation has the ability to sentence you to death, or a prison term up to life, or fire you and insure you find difficulty getting work anywhere if it's decided that you are guilty.

There is a trial. The judge is a high level corporate official. The prosecutor is a company vice-president. Your defense lawyer is a company vice-president. Potential witnesses, both for you and against you, are corporate employees. The panel that decides your guilt or innocence are also all employees. 

Prior to your trial, the CEO of the corporation, a man who is known to value company loyalty very highly, and to fire those he thinks are disloyal, announces that you are guilty: a dirty rotten traitor to the company, a piece of garbage, and a son-of-a-bitch; you should be shot.

Does it sound like a fair trial could be compromised by the CEO's remarks? Everyone involved in your trial, in decisions about your life, death, or imprisonment, is dependent on the corporation for their livelihoods, for their promotions, for their retirement. 

Should there be some protections in place to mitigate the effects of the CEO's statements? Protections against UCI--Unlawful Corporate Influence?

This is why, far more than in the civilian legal system, the military system must be aware of the potential effects of command influence, and provide for some kind of protection/mitigation against its effects.

I have no desire to quibble over the fine-toothed accuracy of the metaphor. Just trying to get some understanding across.

 


11/05/17 01:58 PM #5291    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

But there is nothing in the article that changes my belief that Bowe Bergdahl, because of today’s politics, escaped due accountability. And, for that, there IS loss of confidence in the military justice system, for allowing outside influences (political or otherwise) to interfere. Not unlike many other political travesties, we’ll most likely never know for sure who or what or how those influences manifested themselves in the process. It’s all speculation until there are laws which are enacted & enforced. It is hard to believe the campaign bluster of an uninaugurated or inaugurated President would have reverence over the court appearances of families of the dead & appearances, too, of those desperately maimed & injured by the thoughtless actions of this pathetic, yet willful deserter. 


11/05/17 02:32 PM #5292    

 

Jack Mallory

Nora—you are welcome to your beliefs, but not to spread untruths. There were no “families of the dead” testifying at the court martial, because the court martial proceedings made no claims of KIAs in the search for him. As with the President, the credibility of your opinions is damaged by the untruthfulness of your facts. 


11/05/17 03:31 PM #5293    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

It may behoove interested parties to read through some of the compelling reports from fellow soldiers & officers which describe why there is a strong likelihood that 6 soldiers perished during the course of & because of the search for Bergdahl. One compelling point is that enemy factions were aware of & took advantage of the lessened numbers of soldiers at an outpost, later attacked, due to the absence of men looking for Bergdahl. Because it is difficult to discern with absolute certainty as to the cause of each of the 6 deaths, there was no maintaining that they were directly related to Bergdahl. I, though somewhat surprised that stories from Bergdahl’s maimed fellow soldiers weren’t enough to connect Bergdahl, happily yield to you, our kind & ever-watchful forum “ombudsman”,  (what we hope will be) the final word. 


11/05/17 04:09 PM #5294    

 

Jack Mallory

Nora—I don't care about first words, last words, words in between, as long as they're accurate, honest. When they’re not, I’ll point it out. 


11/05/17 04:17 PM #5295    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Of that, we can all rest assured! 💋


11/05/17 05:49 PM #5296    

 

Jack Mallory

And you, of course, will have the last emoji. Nice thing about emojis is that there are no issues of verity. 


11/05/17 07:44 PM #5297    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Glen! Woohoo & hail! BEST NFL game i’ve seen all year! Down to the wire! Good D! Great plays (how ‘bout that catch by Doctson!?) Sweet day for Cousins. Feels good to have something to cheer about, my friend! 


11/06/17 10:13 AM #5298    

 

Glen Hirose

I’ll have to admit that no one was more surprised at the Seahawks loss to the badly handicapped Washington offense. Much credit goes also to the tenacity of our defense for smothering Seattle’s powerful offense.

       Image result for russell wilson having a bad day

"A bad day at the office for Mr. Wilson"


11/06/17 06:35 PM #5299    

 

Glen Hirose

Oops! I missed wishing you a Happy Birthday on October 1st & 14th Joan and Jerry, but trust me the cake was delicious... 

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11/06/17 07:54 PM #5300    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

O. M. G. ... what IS that? I need a bib. ðŸ˜‹


11/07/17 10:24 AM #5301    

 

Glen Hirose

Nori,

Sometimes I have to abandon my strict Carbs Free Diet (Beer & Scotch of course), but in this case a customized Boston Cream Birthday Cake made with a whipped chocolate center, yellow cake, and scratch made chocolate frosting needs no further justification.

Note:

Clyde’s of Tower Oaks has extended “Lobsterfest” throughout the month of November.

   Image result for lobster dinner


11/07/17 02:39 PM #5302    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Thank you so much Glen for your belated birthday wishes! I spent it happily at the beach in South Carolina surrounded by all three of my wonderful sons, my husband and our dog. My "cake" however was a key lime pie. In my mind, when there's a choice, any kind of pie beats cake any day! 


11/07/17 06:17 PM #5303    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

It's now official. With Syria joining the Paris Climate Agreement today at the International Climate Conference in Bonn, the United States of America is the only country in the world who refuse to be part of the historic accord.  


11/07/17 07:52 PM #5304    

 

Jack Mallory

Veterans Day will soon give us another three-day weekend, and many veterans will be thanked for their service. 

This is a link to an outstanding, hour-long look at the VA: its history, purpose, funding, and future.

http://www.pbs.org/video/va-the-human-cost-of-war-vh25o4/

Watch. Learn. Think. Ask yourself,  "How can I ensure that the VA has the resources to treat the millions of today's veterans, and the millions to come? Do I need to write, call, or visit my Congressionals to ensure that the VA is properly supported? Should I write a letter to the editor of my local paper? Should I contact my local veterans' service organizations, and ask them how I can help?"

Some of us would say that if you take action, that is thanking us for our service. If you don't take action, you can skip the thanks. 

 

 

 

 


11/08/17 02:08 AM #5305    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

As I understand it, a mentally crazed atheist attacked worshipping Christians in a gun-free zone with illegally possessed weapons & was stopped by an armed NRA member in Sutherland Texas over the weekend. Many were slaughtered & injured. The John Holcombe family suffered the unfathomable loss of 8 of its members. Anyone wanting to help ease the financial burden for this family by making a donation, please go online to “gofundme John Holcombe family”. Will take about 2 minutes to do so. 

 


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