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10/08/19 08:34 AM #9517    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Ah, ye olde guilt by association argument. No mention of the judge (judge’s?) who decided the Epstein case (cases?). Quailty defense lawyering gets bad people off every day, Jack. Residing just outside NYC in the early 70’s, I was legal secretary for a group in Hackensack NJ. Oh, the stories. But my bosses were learned, sharp & highly reputable young attorneys who were sought after by those wealthy enough to afford the best legal representation. If dirty deals were going down, I did not know about them. And I was in court most days. Your leap to judgement of successful lawyers may very well be misguided. It’s quite easy to do...until you need one.

Thanks for the book report. I’ll be interested in reading it to find out the details of the judgements & how our system failed, which sometimes happens. Meanwhile, would be interested in your sharing today’s evidence, as to what criminal activity Giuliani was up to for Trump...or is that just suspicion & still yet to be revealed? I’m busy trying to keep up with the dribbling news tidbits coming out, the Nats, the Caps, & perusing CHAOS, General Mattis’ tome. Class act. More about that later. 

 


10/08/19 08:44 AM #9518    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

How absolutely lovely, Joanie! “Lady with a Parasol” particularly speaks to me: the colors & symmetry. Thanks MUCH for sharing. You wear the crown “Lady with a Gifted Talent”! 


10/08/19 08:49 AM #9519    

 

Jack Mallory

Did I accuse Giuliani of criminal activity? Plenty of rich, powerful, unindicted slime balls in the world—not all of them protected by being President. When you’ve read the book you will have been introduced to many of them. Let me know, be happy to discuss them. 


10/08/19 08:56 AM #9520    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Oh, good. Just another suspected slime ball, legal lackey. Gotta hate rich folk. Lemme know when he does something illegal for Trump. Carpe diem, my friend. 


10/08/19 09:15 AM #9521    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori thanks for such a nice compliment. So glad you shared your liking for "Lady with an Orange Parasol"..we had a model for 3 sessions when I painted her. Love, joanie

10/08/19 10:16 AM #9522    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

You’re quite welcome, Joanie. Keep those creative juices flowing! 

Oops. I meant “Weinstein” judges, not ‘Epstein’. Got my “steins” mixed up. 

Meant to ask you, Jack. What’s your take on Trump’s decision to remove our troops from Syria? 

 


10/08/19 12:29 PM #9523    

 

Jack Mallory

"Gotta hate rich folk." Putting words in my mouth again, Nora? No, just an intense dislike for those who use their wealth and power to disadvantage others. We can all think of numerous examples:

The well-to-do who use their money to cheat their kids into colleges in ways that regular folks can't--and decent folks wouldn't. Or people who create phony degree mills to defraud students.

Families and others who control corporations that knowingly profit from the production and sale of addictive and deadly substances like tobacco or opioids. And lawyers who specialize in defending these people.

Someone who would take advantage of parental wealth to avoid military service and put someone else at risk instead--and then heap scorn on those who put themselves in harm's way and suffered enormously as a result.

After you've read the book, got your slime balls straight, you'll have seen many similar wealthy, powerful, loathsome folks. But you do have your slime balls confused. There has been no decision, by judge or jury, in the Weinstein case. The accusations of two predatory sexual assaults, commiting a criminal sexual act, and two rapes won't even come to trial until next year. What are you talking about, Nora?

 

No need to reiterate my desire to see an end to the use of our military for undefined and unwinnable causes. Having made commitments to our Kurdish allies, though, it's a tragic shame to simply abandon them as we did the Hungarians, Cubans, Montagnards, and Hmong. With this administration it's too much to hope that we would offer immigrant or refugee status as we did in other situations.


10/08/19 02:12 PM #9524    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Am glad you clarified that wealth is not a prerequisite to cheating, any more than being a successful defense attorney is requisite to cheating. Glad, too, that we will let the facts emerge without assuming end results colored by agenda/ratings/political-driven messengers. 

Syria: it is another tough call. Seems to boil down to whether the removal of a few hundred US troops (whose work is keeping the peace) will create a scenario entailing thousands of US troops to make peace yet again remains a gamble. Am hopeful the Kurds will find it necessary to align with a side in order to fortify & ultimately survive, whereas, without our departure, that was never likely to happen. 


10/08/19 02:43 PM #9525    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

My understanding from what I've read and heard is that the Kurds have been loyal allies to us for years helping us to root out Isis. Turkey, under Erdogan wants to come in and destroy them as they want to be Independent from the Turks. Trump, is hurting an important ally who risked their lives to fight along with us. This is a very dangerous move and even Lindsey Graham and Mtich McConnell have spoken up against this. This move would fit right into Syria and Russia's playbook. Love, Joanie


10/08/19 03:43 PM #9526    

 

Jack Mallory

As Joanie says, the Kurds DID align with a side--the US side, which has just ditched them. Why anyone trusts us, given our past history and especially now under Trump, is a mystery. 
 

Interesting, too. Another tilt in the Russians' favor.
 

The Israelis look a tad concerned.    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/world/middleeast/israel-us-syria-kurds.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share
 

And who is this judge you seem suspicious of, Nora?

 


10/08/19 10:47 PM #9527    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Syria pull-out: in sharing another viewpoint (among many), here is a brief summary of the perception of Ret. Army Colonel Douglas MacGregor (decorated Gulf War veteran, author ("Margin of Victory" etal.), consultant) which deepens the discussion: he maintains that the 'swamp' is disturbed but Trump is actually injecting strategy into our foreign defence policy, which is something he hasn't seen for a long time.  Trump turned to Turkish President Erdogan who has been carving out a portion of Syria for a long time. After bringing Isis under control, he wants to settle Sunni Arab refugees in a northwest portion of Syria and turn it into a security zone for Turkish interests.  Trump has told Erdogan that he can do that but if ISIS 'rears its ugly head', it's HIS problem.  By doing that, Trump has shifted the burden of responsibility for something regional, clearly goes back to Turkey and specifically Erdogan.  At the same time, Russia has promised to maintain territorial integrity of Syria, so how is Russia going to deal with Erdogan who has decided to carve out areas for his own purposes?  As for Iran, who wants to connect with Lebanon and Sharia allies in that territory: with Turks dominating northern Syria, Iran will find it hard to connect with Lebanon.  Bottom line, Trump has checkmated all the major players in Syria.  Now they are forced to confront each other for a change. What about the Kurds?  Before we arrived, Maoist communist Kurds in northern Syria were aligned with Russia.  They are interested in aligning with anyone who can ally with them to further their cause of independence for themselves in Syria, and also attacks against the Turks, who they deem their enemies.  Without us, the Kurds now have to decide: are they are going to ally with Damascus which is what the Russians have told them to do and which is what we have privately told them to do and which is what a Syrian government would like them to do? Or do the Kurds decide to take on the Turks independently?  MacGregor thinks the Syrian Kurds will decide it's in their interest to side with Damascus.  So, once we pull out, we will probably see that happen.  Israel benefits by our pulling out because Iran will now be at odds with Turkey.  Iran is interested in connecting to Hezbollah.  Russia has no interest in turning Syria into a platform for an attack against Israel so the Russians and the Iranians who are checkmated by the Turks and, along with all three of these key players will have to realize that Israel and the US aren't benefitting from our withdrawal.    

 


10/09/19 01:27 AM #9528    

 

Jerry Morgan

Before I make decisions regarding whether a person has an agenda or a motive for saying what they believe, I personally try to research their statements from multi-sources.  I look at their motives for taking the position that they do.  So saying, who are the players in the decisions involving the USA pullout and the Turkish decision to move south into Syria and force Muslim refugees into a hostile environment.  Who benefits and who suffers from the decisions the participants make.  Turkey retakes Kurdish lands, and gets rid of a lot of Muslims.  Russia supports Turkey's war effort and gains leverage into Syria.  Crimea are you listening.  Trump throws up smoke around the impeachment news and throws another reward to his Pal Putin.  ISIS prisoners get a get out of jail free card.  The USA loses face with our allies.  As if we have much left anyway.  Let me give you a scorecard:  

North Korea:  Trump has a love affair with a brutal dictator, eliminates Military exercises and basically tells our asian allies don't count on us.  Trump gets a penpal.

China:  Communist dictator that steals our intellectual property, crushes Hong Kong freedom protestors and Trump places tariffs on Chinese goods that hurt Americans and American companies.

 Saudi Arabia:  Tortures and kills USA journalist.  Bombs a neighboring country and what does the USA do?  They reward the Saudis with sales of USA military technology.  Trump provides his approval to his BBF MBS and Trump sees nothing here.

Turkey:  The USA journalist was lured to Turkey with the idea that the Saudis wouldn't try anything in Turkey.  The Saudis knew that Trump would do the same thing he did with Putin.  Did you do it?  Nyet.  Oh Ok.

Russia:  Trump sits at Putin's feet.  Anytime Trump needs to make a decision, he drops a dime to his BBF, sucks up to him and does Putin's bidding.  Trump is dying to drop those sanctions by any means possible.  Russia, Ukraine, China are you listening?

Come'on man.  We used to care.  Are we talking ignorance, stupidity or has our moral compass dipped so far south that we just don't give a damn anymore?


10/09/19 01:35 AM #9529    

 

Jerry Morgan

Just in case you need to know who's on first etc.  Rolling Stone has provided their guide.

Who’s Who of Witnesses Called to Testify in the Impeachment Inquiries

You can find it at:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/impeachment-inquiry-witnesses-guide-896181/


10/09/19 01:51 AM #9530    

 

Jerry Morgan

Joanie:  Anything that deals with lazy catches my attention so I vote for Lazy Skipjack.

I see some of the Forum commentators have already posted their opinions on the con man vs: The Mayor.   He is only doing his job ie:  Protecting his taxpayers from a President who is known for swindling or as we say in the sheep business fleecing those that do business with him.  What Mr. Mayor you no trust The Donald.  C'mon bro he da president.


10/09/19 06:33 AM #9531    

 

Jack Mallory

Jerry, I'm surprised the Internet didn't spontaneously combust--you used "Trump" and "moral compass" in the same post!

Nora--thanks for your lengthy post. I'm not paying attention to it because you have included no way to verify its source or content. As I've said, I strongly recommend that no one give credence to any posts, on or off the forum that don't make verification possible, given the misinformation that will be coming from right, left, and center over the next few years.   

The colonel's judgement might be evaluated by reference to his support for the Iraq war, with a special interest in control of their oil.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pentagon/interviews/macgregor.html
 

 


10/09/19 10:16 AM #9532    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jerry, I like your comment about lazy skipjacks. Thanks for looking at the link. Thanks for your posts too. Love, Joanie

10/09/19 10:31 AM #9533    

 

Glen Hirose

Jay, Nori,

How about those Natz? I wonder if they can pull off an upset victory in LA?  

 

   Another great old British Classic

   Related image

   "How Green Was My Valley?"


10/09/19 12:01 PM #9534    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Tonght's the night, Glen !!! C,mon, Stras!!!  We've come too far to fail now....

Um, my post was a synopsis (for the most part, verbatim) of an online interview given by Ret. Army Colonel MacGregor himself which I heard directly from his lips via UTube a few days ago. I guess my designation of the speaker/source at the start of my post did not satisfy the necessary requirements or clout that Joanie seems to wield when she begins with "...from what I've heard and read..".  But, hey, I figure MacGregor's words must have resonated, if the messenger (in this case, I myself) am getting negative feedback. As we all know, when there is nothing to argue, attack the messenger.

And I thought I was the cynic. Jerry, I concede!!! You got me beat by a longshot, my friend!  And, for the record, please list those whom you feel do NOT have an agenda, for those of us who doubt the list exists at all. In light of recent days, it would seem even the squeaky clean Adam Schiff (aka Pinocchio) and Liz Warren (aka Pocahontas) aren't without their intended falsehoods so necessary to maintain their political narratives. Glasshouses and stones aside, what does the forum think will happen now that the Turks are committing airstrikes? 

And, speaking of tariffs and China: "From what I've seen and heard", the Trump tariffs are attracting billions of dollars of foreign investment in manufacturing on US soil, while the threat of tariffs incentivised Mexico to do more in two days on border security than in the last decade. Yep, you heard it here. 

 


10/09/19 01:01 PM #9535    

 

Jack Mallory

I'm not sure how we could have known the YouTube origins of your post, Nora, or its verbatim nature. The only quoted words are 'swamp' and 'rear its ugly head'. If the rest, or most of the rest, of the content is verbatim, why is it not quoted? How do we distinguish between MacGregor's own words and your interpretation of them? Obviously, a link to the video would have provided us with the ability to do that. 
 

Joanie's vague reference to what she seems to assume is general knowledge does not cry out for the specific sourcing and quoting that your post does. But we should all be as forthcoming as possible with information about our information, so to speak, if we expect credibility. 
 

Turkish air strikes will kill people and break things. 
 


10/09/19 01:20 PM #9536    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Haha! Love it. Yes, I’ll follow your suggestion & begin my assertions with “as I understand it” or “from what I’ve seen & heard”...or, better yet, you skip reading anything that seems to be counter to your point of view, sir. Suit yourself. 

 


10/09/19 02:56 PM #9537    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I think its ok to sometimes state an opinion one of us might have just like when someone writes an op ed...However, we can't expect everyone to agree with our take and I agree that it is frustrating when an opinion sounds like it is citing facts that are in some cases just a series of falsehoods....so its hard to balance it all out.. I try to do both. I try to send articles that show factual information to back up my feelings for instance about the mistreatment of migrants, and then sometimes, I just comment on it all. Love, Joanie

10/09/19 03:31 PM #9538    

 

Jack Mallory

I read lots of things from a variety of points of view, Nora. But I give no credence to material that deliberately omits the information necessary to do some basic context checking, especially from sources that are frequently unreliable. Or just, flat, factually untrue.

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10/09/19 04:06 PM #9539    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

great pictures Jack....I am reminded of when we are in the White Mountains when I saw the forest picture even though its not necessarily right there. Love, Joanie


10/09/19 05:01 PM #9540    

 

Jack Mallory

https://apple.news/AvJgL79_YRE2Op23gub2ncA

And the killing of civilians in the Trump-facilitated invasion of Turkey has begun. $2 million of our tax dollars from this year alone are available to the Turkish military to support the attack. 

https://securityassistance.org/data/program/military/Turkey/2012/2020/Defense%20Department/Middle%20East%20and%20North%20Africa//
 


10/09/19 09:51 PM #9541    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Here is a link that explains the tragedy of this move by Trump. Love, Joanie

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/07/trump-handing-syria-to-turkey-is-gift-to-russia-iran-isis-mcgu.html


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