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04/13/24 08:34 PM #16917    

 

Jack Mallory

I understand what you "see," Nori. But I'm asking about your statement that "our laws would define" the Israeli killing of tens of thousands of innocent Gazans and hundreds of aid workers as "an act of self-defense."

What are the specific laws that you refer to? Could you quote the relevant passages? Doesn't seem like an unreasonable question. 


04/13/24 09:27 PM #16918    

 

Jay Shackford

Just curious, Nori.  Is that the King James or Donald Trump version of the Bible you are talking about.  Good to see you back on the forum stirring up some action.  Bests, everyone. 


04/14/24 11:41 AM #16919    

 

Jay Shackford

(Thomas Friedman is the Foreign Columnist for the New York Times.  He spent most of his career covering the volatile Mideast politics, first with the now defunct United Press International (UPI) where I got my start in journalism and later with the New York Times.  In 1979 he was dispatched by UPI from London to Beirut where he covered the Middle East before the NYT hired him in 1981.  He remained in the Mid East for the NYT until 1988,  living and reporting from Jerusalem.  It was a relatively quiet time in Israel, but in the West Bank and Gaza the first Palestinian intifada was brewing.  Friedman devoted much of his reporting to those two simmering volcanoes, which would erupt right at the end of his overseas tour.  At that time, he wrote,  From Beirut to Jerusalem, one of the classic books on the ongoing friction between Israel and the Arab states. Friedman is also an avid golfer who once cadddied for Chi Chi Rodriquez at the 1970 U.S. Open at Hazeltine National Golf Club.  He lives in Bethesda, and I believe his two daughters went to B-CC. Below is a column he wrote on April 10 — about a week ago before last night’s attack by Iran on Tel Aviv.  Needless to say, he’s one of the best, if not the best, writers on the politics Gaza, the West Bank and Iran’s role in the clashes with Israel forces). 

 

OPINION

THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

Israel: Cease-Fire, Get Hostages, Leave Gaza, Rethink Everything

April 10, 2024

Israel today is at a strategic point in its war in Gaza, and there is every indication that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is going to choose the wrong path — and take the Biden administration along for a very dangerous and troubling ride. It is so dangerous and troubling that Israel’s best option, when all is said and done, might be to leave a rump Hamas leadership in power in Gaza. Yes, you read that right.

To understand why, let’s look back a bit. I argued in October that Israel was making a terrible mistake by rushing headlong into invading Gaza, the way America did in Afghanistan after 9/11. I thought Israel should have focused first on getting back its hostages, delegitimizing Hamas for its murderous and rapacious Oct. 7 rampage, and going after Hamas’s leadership in a targeted way — more Munich, less Dresden. That is, a military response akin to how Israel tracked down the killers of its athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics, and not how the U.S. turned Dresden into a pile of rubble in World War II.

But I understood that many Israelis felt they had a moral and strategic right and necessity to go into Gaza and remove Hamas “once and for all.” In which case, I argued, Israel would need three things — time, legitimacy, and military and other resources from the U.S. The reason: The ambitious goal of wiping out Hamas could not be completed quickly (if at all); the military operation would end up killing innocent civilians, given how Hamas had tunneled under them; and it would leave a security and government vacuum in Gaza that would have to be filled by the non-Hamas Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, which would have to be upgraded and transformed to take on that task.

In short, Israel would need to fight this war with the least collateral damage for Palestinian civilians and accompany it with a political horizon for a new relationship between Israelis and Palestinians, built around two nation-states for two indigenous peoples. Doing so would give Israel a chance to say to the world that this was not a war of vengeance or occupation, but a war to eliminate the Palestinian entity that was out to destroy any two-state solution — Hamas — and create the political space for a deal with the Palestinian Authority, which is still committed to a two-state deal. That approach would have won the support, funding and, I think, even peacekeeping troops of moderate Arab states like the U.A.E.

 

Unfortunately, Netanyahu and his military did not pursue that course. They opted for the worst strategic combination: Militarily they opted for the Dresden approach, which, though it may have ended up killing some 13,000 Hamas fighters, also killed thousands of Palestinian civilians, leaving hundreds of thousands of others injured, displaced or homeless — and delegitimizing, for many around the world, what Israel thought was a just war.

And diplomatically, instead of accompanying this war strategy with an initiative that would buy Israel at least some time, legitimacy and resources to dismantle Hamas, Netanyahu refused to offer any political horizon or exit strategy and expressly ruled out any collaboration with the Palestinian Authority under orders from the Jewish supremacists in his governing coalition.

That is an utterly insane strategy.

It has locked Israel into a politically unwinnable war, and it has ended up isolating America, imperiling our regional and global interests, compromising Israel’s support in the U.S. and fracturing the base of President Biden’s Democratic Party.

And the timing is truly awful. The Biden foreign policy team, led by Secretary of State Antony Blinken and national security adviser Jake Sullivan, have just finished working out the draft of a new strategic deal with Saudi Arabia — including a civil nuclear program, advanced arms and much deeper security ties. The deal, a senior Biden administration official told me, could be wrapped up in a matter of weeks — but for one element. It hinges on Saudi Arabia normalizing relations with Israel in return for Israel ending the war in Gaza, getting out of the Strip and agreeing to a defined “pathway” for a two-state outcome — with clear metrics in terms of what both Israel and the Palestinian Authority would have to do and in what time frames.

We are talking about a game-changing deal — precisely the deal that an Iran-backed Hamas launched this war on Oct. 7 to undermine, because it would have isolated Iran and Hamas. But the war in Gaza has to end first and Israel needs a government ready to embark on a two-state pathway.

 

Which takes us to this fork in the road. My preference is that Israel immediately change course. That is, join with the Biden administration in embracing that pathway to a two-state deal that would open the way for Saudi normalization and also give cover for the Palestinian Authority and moderate Arab states to try to establish non-Hamas governance in Gaza in Israel’s place. And — as the Biden team urged Netanyahu privately — forget entirely about invading Rafah and instead use a targeted approach to take out the rest of the Hamas leadership.

 

Even if Israel is intent on ignoring the U.S. advice, I pray it doesn’t try to invade Rafah and reject Palestinian Authority involvement in Gaza’s future. Because that would be an invitation for a permanent Israeli occupation of Gaza and a permanent Hamas insurgency. It would bleed Israel economically, militarily and diplomatically in very dangerous ways.

So dangerous that I believe Israel would actually be better off agreeing to Hamas’s demand for a total Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and a cease-fire and an all-for-all deal — all Israeli hostages in return for all Palestinian prisoners held by Israel. In other words, if Israel is not going to partner with the Palestinian Authority and moderate Arab states to create different governance in Gaza, and create conditions for normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia, Israel needs to get its hostages back, end the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, get out of Gaza, have a new election and do a deep rethink.

Please, Israel, do not get sucked into Rafah and permanently occupy Gaza. It will be a disaster.

“Friedman, you mean you would let a militarily decimated Hamas and its murderous leader Yahya Sinwar govern Gaza again?”

Yes, for the near term. As I said, this is not my preferred choice. It’s because Netanyahu has left Israel WITH NO OTHER CHOICE. He refuses to have Israeli troops govern Gaza and won’t bring in the Palestinian Authority. That leaves only two options: Gaza becoming a Somali-like gangland on the Mediterranean; or Gaza being held together with some flimsy Hamas governance.

 

If I were Israel, I’d take a weakened Hamas over Somalia, for two reasons.

I have no illusions that the morning after a cease-fire commences and Sinwar comes out, some will wildly cheer him for the hurt he inflicted on Israel. But the morning after the morning after, Sinwar will face brutal questioning from Gazans: Where’s my house, where’s my job, who gave you the right to expose my children to death and devastation?

It is the best punishment I can imagine for Sinwar. Let him own all of Gaza’s travails that he so recklessly exacerbated — not Israel. Only Palestinians can delegitimize Hamas, and though it won’t be easy, and Hamas will kill anyone to hold power, this time we won’t be talking about just a handful of dissidents.

Amira Hass, Haaretz’s well-informed reporter on Palestinian affairs, recently wrote a story based on phone interviews with Gazans, with this headline: “‘People Are Constantly Cursing Sinwar’: Gazans Opposing Hamas Are Sure They’re the Majority.”

It read: “The donkey cart full of people and mattresses is one of the sights of the war on Gaza and the current siege. ‘More than once, I’ve heard a cart owner urging his donkey on and saying something like, “Move it, Yahya Sinwar, move it,”’ says Basel (a pseudonym, as I’ve used for everyone in this article). … Yes, Israel bombs and kills, Basel says, but he refuses to absolve Hamas from responsibility for the catastrophe that has befallen the Gazans. ‘People are constantly cursing Sinwar, but this isn’t reflected in the journalists’ reports,’ he says. ‘I know that I speak for a lot of people,’ Basel says. ‘I have the right to speak, if only because I’m one of the millions whose lives Hamas is gambling with for crazy slogans with no basis in reality.’”

For the time, if it happens, when Israel gets out of Gaza and has its hostages back, the Biden team is already talking to Egypt about working closely with the U.S. and Israel to ensure Hamas can never again smuggle in the sorts of arms it did in the past under the Egypt-Gaza border. Israel could say that every ounce of food and medicine that Gazans need will be delivered, as well as the bags of cement for rebuilding from countries that might want to help. But if one ounce is found going to dig new attack tunnels, rebuild rocket factories or restart rocket attacks on Israel, the borders will close. Again, let Sinwar deal with that dilemma: Go back to Hamas’s old ways and starve his people — or keep the cease-fire.

 

The second reason is that it won’t be just Gazans going after Sinwar and Hamas. Plenty of Palestinians understand that Sinwar cynically launched this war because he was losing influence to both more moderate factions in Hamas and to his archrival, the Fatah political movement, which runs the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah. He also feared this possible deal between Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Palestinians.

As Hussein Ibish, an expert at the Arab Gulf States Institute in Washington, who has provided some of the most clearsighted analyses of this war from the start, argued in a recent essay in The Daily Beast, Hamas wanted to provoke a massive Israeli response to Oct. 7 in part to corner Fatah. “A surge of nationalist sentiment and shared outrage at the mass killing and suffering of the 2.2 million Palestinian civilians in Gaza muffled nationalist leaders like President Mahmoud Abbas (also the chairman of the P.L.O.) in publicly acknowledging Hamas’ breathtaking cynicism,” he wrote.

But now, Ibish notes, the gloves are coming off: When Hamas complained about the Palestinian Authority’s decision to appoint a new prime minister, without Hamas’s input, Fatah shot back with a statement noting that Hamas consulted no one before launching “an adventure on Oct. 7 that has led to a nakba that is more severe than the 1948 nakba.” “Nakba” means catastrophe.

Ibish concluded, “If these accusations are repeated — as they certainly should be on a daily, if not hourly, basis — they could create the permission structure for ordinary Palestinians everywhere, and especially in Gaza, to begin honestly asking themselves why Hamas acted on Oct. 7 without regard to the impact on the people of Gaza or making any preparations whatsoever for them.”

This dynamic is the only way to marginalize Hamas and Islamic Jihad — by Palestinians themselves discrediting these groups for what they are: mad and murderous proxies of Iran, whose leadership is ready to sacrifice endless Palestinian lives to pursue its aspiration for regional hegemony. If Palestinians cannot or will not do that, they will never get a state.

 

Just a brief word about Iran. As I feared, Israel has played into its hands beautifully from Tehran’s point of view. By invading Gaza with no morning-after plan, while also occupying the West Bank, Israel is now overstretched militarily, economically and morally — while deflecting attention from the fact that Iran is accelerating its nuclear program and expanding its influence as the biggest occupying power in the Middle East today.

Iran indirectly controls large swaths of five Arab states or territory (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and part of Gaza) using local proxies ready to sell out their own people for Iran’s benefit. Iran has helped to keep each Arab entity war torn or failing. Put me down as opposed to both the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Iranian occupations of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen. To decry Israeli settler “colonialism” in the West Bank and ignore Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps “colonialism” in five Arab power centers is utterly dishonest. The Iranian Revolutionary Guards leader who Israel killed in Syria last week was not there on a tourist visa.

President Biden has a plan: Get to a six-week cease-fire and hostage release. After which, as part of the Saudi-normalization package, the president will come out with a bold peace initiative, what Israeli peace process expert Gidi Grinstein has called “more for more” — more security and normalization with Arab states than Israel was ever offered and more Arab and U.S. help for Palestinians to achieve statehood than they’ve ever experienced. Hopefully, such an initiative can induce everyone to make the cease-fire permanent, and further marginalize Hamas and Iran.

I have read all the articles about how a two-state solution is now impossible. I think they are 95 percent correct. But I am going to focus on the 5-percent chance that they are wrong, and the chance that courageous leadership can make them wrong. Because the alternative is a 100-percent certain forever war, with bigger and more precise weapons that will destroy both societies.


04/14/24 12:24 PM #16920    

 

Jack Mallory

I think the last paragraph in Friedman's article speaks to Glen's and all our skepticism about the outcome of a political resolution:

"I have read all the articles about how a two-state solution is now impossible. I think they are 95 percent correct. But I am going to focus on the 5-percent chance that they are wrong, and the chance that courageous leadership can make them wrong. Because the alternative is a 100-percent certain forever war, with bigger and more precise weapons that will destroy both societies."

Better that slim chance of peace than the certitude of decades of continued war.
 

Does anybody know what American laws Nori is talking about that define killing non-combatants as an act of self defense? This may be ignorance on my part, but I have no idea what they are. 


04/14/24 01:53 PM #16921    

 

Jay Shackford

I'm still trying to figure out whether Nori is reading the King James Bible (available on Amazon for less than $20) or Donald Trump's $59,99 version of the Bible.    


04/14/24 02:38 PM #16922    

 

Jack Mallory

Jay, I think Nori is referring to the version of the Bible where in the book of Matthew we are told, "Blessed are the warmakers, for they shall be called the children of god." Do I have that right?   


04/14/24 05:06 PM #16923    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jay, thanks for the Friedman article. I was hoping for a peace deal for Israel with other Arab states and some sort of non Hamas gov in Gaza. Hamas says they don't have 40 hostages of the criteria asked for so it's now dire and who knows who is still alive. Getting the hostages freed should have been a top priority love, Joanie

04/14/24 08:00 PM #16924    

 

Jack Mallory

“'So just to sum up, you would support him for president even if he was convicted in classified documents,' he said. 'You support him for president even though you believe he contributed to an insurrection. You support him for president even though you believe he’s lying about the last election. You’d support him for president even if he’s convicted in the Manhattan case. I just want to say, the answer to that is yes, correct?'

“'Yeah,' Mr. Sununu said. 'Me and 51 percent of America.”'”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/14/us/politics/sununu-trump-insurrection-2024.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&ugrp=c&pvid=9285E9F4-10E6-4342-AF04-E3C6D0949ABB&sgrp=c-cb
 

What a disappointment. For years I’ve pointed to Sununu as a decent conservative and Republican with whom I could disagree and still respect. No longer. Trump has really ripped whatever soul was left out of formerly honest Republicans. A gender non-specific way of saying Trump's castrated the GOP.

Deb just suggested he's whoring for the VP slot. Seems likely. 


04/14/24 09:28 PM #16925    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack I don't think we can blame Trump for ripping out Sununus' soul or others souls who should know better. They ripped their own souls out as they didn't put the truth and Democracy over their own ambitions. Love, Joanie

04/15/24 05:41 AM #16926    

 

Jack Mallory

Spot on, Joanie. You've said in a sentence what it took HCR an entire essay to say.

Today, on ABC’s This Week, host George Stephanopoulos asked New Hampshire governor Chris Sununu about his recent switch from supporting former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley for the Republican presidential nomination to supporting former president Trump. 

“Just to sum up,” Stephanopoulos said, “You support [Trump] for president even if he's convicted in [the] classified documents [case]. You support him for president even though you believe he contributed to an insurrection. You support him for president even though you believe he's lying about the last election. You support him for president even if he's convicted in the Manhattan case. I just want to say, the answer to that is yes, correct?”

Sununu answered: “Yeah. Me and 51% of America.”

Aside from its overstatement of Trump’s national support, Sununu’s answer illustrated the triumph of politics over principle. Earlier in the interview, Sununu explained that he could swallow all of Trump’s negatives because he wanted a Republican administration. “This is about politics,” he said. 

Sununu is part of the Republican faction that focuses on cutting taxes and slashing regulations. Trump has promised further tax cuts, while Biden has said he will raise taxes on the very wealthy and on corporations to make sure the nation does not have to cut Social Security benefits and Medicare. Republicans have suggested they will make those cuts to balance the budget, although at least 90% of the current budget deficit not due to emergencies like Covid is a result of tax cuts under George W. Bush and Trump.  

Sununu may be embracing Trump for his fiscal policies. But there is possibly another dynamic at play in the shift of Republican leaders behind Trump. As Thomas Edsall outlined in the New York Times on April 10 in a piece about donors, they appear to be afraid of retaliation if they don’t join his team. Certainly he has worked to instill that fear, warning in January that anyone who contributed to Haley’s campaign “from this moment forth, will be permanently barred from the MAGA camp. We don’t want them, and will not accept them.”

Trump has been very clear that he intends to use the power of the state to crush those who he feels have been insufficiently supportive of him. There is every reason to take him at his word, as he tried to do exactly that during his presidency. He used the Internal Revenue Service to harass former FBI director James Comey—who refused to kill the investigation into the ties between Trump’s 2016 campaign and Russian operatives as Trump demanded—and Andrew McCabe, who took over as acting FBI director after Trump fired Comey. 

He demanded investigations and indictments of former president Barack Obama and then–former vice president Joe Biden, former secretaries of state Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, as well as a Democratic lawyer. Former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York Geoffrey Berman, whom Trump appointed after he fired Preet Bharara, recalled: “Throughout my tenure as U.S. attorney, Trump’s Justice Department kept demanding that I use my office to aid them politically, and I kept declining—in ways just tactful enough to keep me from being fired.” 

That dynamic already appears to be at work as people are obeying in advance. On April 10, Pulitzer Prize–winning photographer David Hume Kennerly resigned from the board of the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Foundation after his fellow trustees declined to present the Gerald R. Ford Medal for Distinguished Public Service to former Wyoming representative Liz Cheney out of concern that a future President Trump would retaliate against the organization by taking away its tax-exempt status. 

“The historical irony was completely lost on you,” Kennerly wrote. “Gerald Ford became president, in part, because Richard Nixon had ordered the development of an enemies list and demanded his underlings use the IRS against those listed. That’s exactly what the executive committee fears will happen if there’s a second coming of Donald Trump.” 

Harking back to Ford’s service in the World War II Navy, Kennerly wrote: “Did [Lieutenant] Gerald Ford meet the enemy head-on because he thought he wouldn’t get killed? No. He did it despite that possibility. This executive committee, on the other hand, bolted before any shots were fired. You aren’t alone. Many foundations, organizations, corporations, and other entities are caught up in this tidal wave of timidity and fear that’s sweeping this country. I mistakenly thought we were better than that. This is the kind of acquiescent behavior that leads to authoritarianism. President Ford most likely would have come out even tougher and said that it leads directly to fascism.”

As Princeton sociology professor Kim Lane Scheppele told Edsall, those still operating under the impression that they will curry favor with a dictator are painfully unaware of how dictators actually operate: like Russia’s Vladimir Putin or Hungary’s Viktor Orbán, if he is returned to power, Trump will use the power of the state to squeeze the wealthy as well as his political opponents, threatening them with investigations, audits, regulation—even criminal charges—unless they do as they are told. 

But Sununu’s cynical announcement that he would destroy American democracy if it meant his party could stay in power is not only a misguided approach to trying to appease a dictator. It is a profound rejection of the meaning of American democracy: that we all are created equal and have a right to a say in our government. Throughout our history, Americans have found those principles so fundamental to human self-determination that they have given their lives for them. 

It’s hard to miss that Sununu’s statement fell on the anniversary of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, who stood at the cemetery in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, where those who had died to defend the United States in July 1863 were buried and asked his fellow Americans to rededicate themselves “to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/heathercoxrichardson/p/april-14-2024?r=asnwm&utm_medium=ios


04/15/24 01:44 PM #16927    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Good thing Allied Forces didn't stop midway through World War !! to round up and kill as many Nazis as possible, understanding that enormous human & structural collateral damage was an integral part of their mission.   If they had, who knows how many would have reorganized, continued to wreak havoc and fill death camps yet again.  Joanie, perhaps now you know why our leaders have held the belief that we should never negotiate with enemies who hold our citizens hostage. If there is no motive for them to take them, they won't be as liable to do it.  Like I said, Hamas knows us better than we know ourselves. They don't care about using human shields but they know as soon as Israel's defense forces kill humans, international support for Israel will erode (as it seems to be doing). IOW, indoctrinated to wipe out Israel, loss of life is incidental to Hamas. JMO

Perhaps if prolific readers like Jay & Jack are interested in learning of which I was referring, peruse again the last book of The Bible and/or include Hal Lindsey's short read.  Would love to know your takes on both.

 


04/15/24 02:41 PM #16928    

 

Jack Mallory

Nori--did you miss this, or are you dodging it?
 

Which of our laws make killing and injuring tens of thousands of non-combatant moms, dads, kids, and international samaritans (there's your Bible!) an act of self defense or lawful behavior ? How have their deaths and dismemberments eliminated an existential threat to Israel? 


 


04/15/24 03:03 PM #16929    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, I agree with your take that Hamas isn't a group to negotiate with. After all they have in their doctrine the destruction of Israel and we all know how brutal they were on October 7.However the way this is going it's Quater and maybe Egypt talking to them and the first time some hostages actually got released in return for tons more prisoners of theirs. So indirectly thru others a deal was made. What joy for their loved ones that some hostages returned. Now 6 months have gone by and Hamas is hardening their position to call for Israel to withdraw completely from Gaza and turns out they said re 40 suggested hostage releases, they don't have 40 to meet thei criteria asked for. Most of the hostages could be dead by now. I feel that freeing the hostages should have been a priority. Also, I have family in Israel and have visited there twice with my mother. I love Israel and many Jews feel it's a place to go when there is no other place safe for Jews. Tho it's not so safe with all the attacks over the years. I don't like the Netanyahu right wing govt though as Netanyahu helped build up Hamas encouraging funds to go to them thru Quater so there could never be a two state solution..Hamas fooled Netanyahu pretending to have changed even alerting Israel to a radical Palestian group ready to attack to gain Israel's trust. It's a very difficult war to fight with Hamas hiding behind civilians but it is tragic that for Israel to try to destroy Hamas, so many civilians are getting killed., many of them children. They all have loved ones and are left with holes in their hearts.
The Israeli society continues to be traumatized from Oct 7. The US showed their support for Israel when Iran sent in 300 drones and missiles. The US shot down many of those missiles and drones. thanks to Biden. .Maybe one day Saudi Arabia and other Arab states will make peace with Israel and some sort of govt can be installed that's not Hamas. It's all a constant threat as Israel is surrounded by enemies. Iran and her proxies are all around her agreeing that Israel has no right to exist. Love, Joanie

04/15/24 10:31 PM #16930    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Jay and I had lunch at Busboys and Poets in DC while I was here visiting my son and his wife. SO much to talk about after 60 years!


04/16/24 08:01 AM #16931    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I just love that picture of you and Jay. It's wonderful. Glad you both got to catch up. I don't think back in our BCC years I knew you both as I was so shy but on another visit if you have time, I'd love to see you both. Love, Joanie

04/16/24 05:21 PM #16932    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Wow, here in Maryland it's like a pretty summers day. I have a native garden that's coming up with a meadow of gold pakera flowers and red bud trees mixed in. Every year I enjoy the coming of Spring.. By mid July the garden is filled with red cardinal flowers and blue lobelia to name a few. Hope everyone is doing well
Love, Joanie❤️

04/17/24 12:23 PM #16933    

 

Jack Mallory

Nice pic of the two Js!


04/19/24 01:17 PM #16934    

 

Jack Mallory

Finally photographically spring!



 

 


04/20/24 11:42 AM #16935    

 

Glen Hirose

   An Ice-free Suncook. Beautiful images!

              Grilled Trout with Lemon Butter - MHP ...

                 I'll bet there are good eatin' trout in those waters...


04/20/24 03:13 PM #16936    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack, so nice to see those photos and know spring is here.
Glen, now I want to get some trout.
Love to you both, Joanie

04/21/24 12:08 PM #16937    

 

Janet Lowry (Deal)

Glen, that looks like the gluten free dinner of my dreams. Nice

04/21/24 01:17 PM #16938    

 

Jack Mallory

Glen, how would you prepare this?


04/22/24 01:34 PM #16939    

 

Glen Hirose

 

First we need to subdue it.

 

A large stick or rock would probably prove useless. Second option would be to play video of the MoCo Council Public hearing on constructing bicycle lanes for all major county traffic arteries to reduce rush hour congestion. Last and most inhumane is exposing the poor creature to a looped sound tract of Barry Manilow's Greatest Hits.

 

 


04/22/24 01:42 PM #16940    

 

Jack Mallory

Barry Manilow's greatest hits. No living creature deserves this. 


04/23/24 02:13 PM #16941    

 

Jack Mallory

First day that both birds, blue sky, and sunshine have co-occurred at the nest. But I'm afraid something may have happened to a first clutch of eggs, which probably should have hatched by now. Mom and dad seem to be working on another clutch. 

 

 

 

 


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